England player in 'blacking up' storm

[A mex eyecan]

Yes it's really stupid to acknowledge history and why that history might affect the way some people view things today. How utterly idiotic of me to use historical context to asses a situation and deem it to be sensitive. Silly me.

No there is nothing wrong with acknowledging things past were wrong, I' m not for one moment suggesting otherwise, our past, along with others at times has been anything but acceptable. but sometimes people are just so over apologetic it's daft. Yours is just daft, move on man. get a sense of proportion ..

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

No there is nothing wrong with acknowledging things past were wrong, I' m not for one moment suggesting otherwise, our past, along with others at times has been anything but acceptable. but sometimes people are just so over apologetic it's daft. Yours is just daft, move on man. get a sense of proportion ..

How is merely acknowledging that it's a sensitive issue being overly apologetic?

 

[A mex eyecan]

but don't you see, if nobody took any notice who was black and who was white ( as really true non racism would be) then there would be no need to be 'sensitive''apologetic' or anything else.

 

[Neil]

If you really don't understand why a white person "blacking up" is a sensitive issue then you really must be a bit dim. Was it racist? Most probably not but the whole concept of black face is steeped in racial prejudice thus it being a sensitive issue.

What is the difference between this and say Michael Jackson??
Could he have been classed as being racist for WHITENING UP or a black clown for putting white face paint on would that be classed as racist.
!!Christ sake it was a fancy dress party
Things are getting ridiculous now

 

[A mex eyecan]

And as just a further thought, if 'blacking up' or 'whitening up' is viewed as being insensitive, racist or call it what you will, does that mean if ever I who to a fancy dress party I can only ever go as a black man? (Or white man if I'm white)

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

but don't you see, if nobody took any notice who was black and who was white ( as really true non racism would be) hot hen there would be no need to be 'sensitive''apologetic' or anything else.

I see where you're coming from but unfortunately we don't live on a society where that's the case. I think people can often be very dismissive and defensive in these occasions so I was merely offering a different point of view and I've been labelled a bed wetter because of it. Oh well I'm sure I'll recover.

 

[A mex eyecan]

I see where you're coming from but unfortunately we don't live on a society where that's the case. I think people can often be very dismissive and defensive in these occasions so I was merely offering a different point of view and I've been labelled a bed wetter because of it. Oh well I'm sure I'll recover.

Well if you do wet the bed at least you will get up early

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

What is the difference between this and say Michael Jackson??
Could he have been classed as being racist for WHITENING UP or a black clown for putting white face paint on would that be classed as racist.
!!Christ sake it was a fancy dress party
Things are getting ridiculous now

Well for a start MJ had a skin condition and, again, I never said she was racist.

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

Well if you do wet the bed at least you will get up early

Early bird catches the worm and all that!

 

[Driver8]

Well for a start MJ had a skin condition

You actually believe that?

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

You actually believe that?

Well that's the official line anyway. I've no evidence either way

 

[Neil]

He did, he had vitiligo, which was confirmed in his autopsy.

Yes he did but it doesn't make your whole face go white

 

[MarioOrlandi]

Bring back the Black and White Minstrels Show

 

[Seagull58]

If you really don't understand why a white person "blacking up" is a sensitive issue then you really must be a bit dim. Was it racist? Most probably not but the whole concept of black face is steeped in racial prejudice thus it being a sensitive issue.

How is she going to go as Whoopi Goldberg with a white face?

 

[wellquickwoody]

Yes it's really stupid to acknowledge history and why that history might affect the way some people view things today. How utterly idiotic of me to use historical context to asses a situation and deem it to be sensitive. Silly me.

As you said earlier, 'early 20th century', it is now early 21st century, how long should we keep apologising for?

Do you advocate the current British government paying compensation to the descendants of slavery?

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

How is she going to go as Whoopi Goldberg with a white face?

Maybe she just goes as someone/ something else? Just a thought.

 

[Husty]

I see the bed wetters are out in force

(I would by the way)

 

[A mex eyecan]

Maybe she just goes as someone/ something else? Just a thought.

Hey come on midnight, you are digging yourself deeper here, you do have an out ..

As i replied earlier, if blacking or whitening up is unacceptable does this mean that if I go to a fancy dress party then I can only ever go as a black man??

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Yes he did but it doesn't make your whole face go white

Agreed. I have it & it's very patchy.

 

[Husty]

Maybe she just goes as someone/ something else? Just a thought.

Maybe you stop getting so offended on other people's behalf?

Just a thought.