EDL in Sheffield

[BadFish]

No, the reason for radicalisation is much more complex than that. I grant you it is a push, but radicalisation was going on when I taught in Birmingham 6th form in the early 90s. They find disenfranchised people and tell them they have a solution and feed their feelings of dissatisfaction. They blame a generic target (I.e Hitler blamed the Jews, soviet union blamed Kulaks and Khmer Rouge blamed educated people). It is a common pattern, with Radical islamists blaming 'western Zionists' and right wing groups blaming immigrants first and now since 9/11 islamists. It also goes back to a deep seated hatred of 'the crusaders'

Agree, this is a very reasoned post. but the stuff Dave is talking about is used as a very powerful reason by these particular extremists.

 

[Ex-Staffs Gull]

I dont disagree that actions the uk have taken make it easier for recruiters, but this is just one reason, and it still needs propaganda and spin to be used as a tool for radicalisation.

 

[BadFish]

I dont disagree that actions the uk have taken make it easier for recruiters, but this is just one reason, and it still needs propaganda and spin to be used as a tool for radicalisation.

I agree and I also think that extremist views and radical groups make it easier for recruiters, in this sense the EDL and BNP are playing into the hands of those recruiters.

 

[brighton fella]

I agree and I also think that extremist views and radical groups make it easier for recruiters, in this sense the EDL and BNP are playing into the hands of those recruiters.

suppose your ideal would be for all of us to sit back whilst the extremists commit carnage on our streets, don't hit back or protest against them in fear that it will only aggrevate them even more & fuel the rest of the muslim comunitys hatred towards us. your solution is to simply let the ****ers do as they want..... pretty much as they are doing now but without any sort of backlash at all from any of us...

a bit like "tell them" that it is ok for them to set light to a poppy on remberance sunday, "tell them" that it is alright to ignore the minutes silence & disrespect our dead heroes on rememberance sunday, "tell them" that it is even accepted for them to practise sharia law over here.. and most important of all "tell them" that it is ok for them to commit another autrosity such as 7/7 & the savage killing of lee rigby over here.
good one fella I see your point

 

[daveinprague]

Looking for Sharia in Tower hamlets
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3G5PYAMICg[/QUOTE

what type of sad crank would waste an entire day filming absolutley nothing

No idea. What sort of cranks try to tell the world that Tower Hamlets is a Sharia controlled zone?

 

[daveinprague]

suppose your ideal would be for all of us to sit back whilst the extremists commit carnage on our streets, don't hit back or protest against them in fear that it will only aggrevate them even more & fuel the rest of the muslim comunitys hatred towards us. your solution is to simply let the ****ers do as they want..... pretty much as they are doing now but without any sort of backlash at all from any of us...

a bit like "tell them" that it is ok for them to set light to a poppy on remberance sunday, "tell them" that it is alright to ignore the minutes silence & disrespect our dead heroes on rememberance sunday, "tell them" that it is even accepted for them to practise sharia law over here.. and most important of all "tell them" that it is ok for them to commit another autrosity such as 7/7 & the savage killing of lee rigby over here.
good one fella I see your point

Ive seen no evidence of the EDL preventing 'carnage' on our streets?
Who do you plan to 'hit back' at?
Nobody is saying 'sit back and let the ****ers do as they want', Not sure if youre aware, but we have
organisations called the 'police' and the 'security services'...Personally, and call me old fashioned, I think
they are better equipped, to deal with radical muslims, than a bunch of racist drunks.

 

[BadFish]

suppose your ideal would be for all of us to sit back whilst the extremists commit carnage on our streets, don't hit back or protest against them in fear that it will only aggrevate them even more & fuel the rest of the muslim comunitys hatred towards us. your solution is to simply let the ****ers do as they want..... pretty much as they are doing now but without any sort of backlash at all from any of us...

a bit like "tell them" that it is ok for them to set light to a poppy on remberance sunday, "tell them" that it is alright to ignore the minutes silence & disrespect our dead heroes on rememberance sunday, "tell them" that it is even accepted for them to practise sharia law over here.. and most important of all "tell them" that it is ok for them to commit another autrosity such as 7/7 & the savage killing of lee rigby over here.
good one fella I see your point

My point has been made in my previous post and has little resemblance to what you apparently suppose it is.

Clearly you do not see my point as your two paragraphs spectacularly miss it.

 

[Ex-Staffs Gull]

suppose your ideal would be for all of us to sit back whilst the extremists commit carnage on our streets, don't hit back or protest against them in fear that it will only aggrevate them even more & fuel the rest of the muslim comunitys hatred towards us. your solution is to simply let the ****ers do as they want..... pretty much as they are doing now but without any sort of backlash at all from any of us...

a bit like "tell them" that it is ok for them to set light to a poppy on remberance sunday, "tell them" that it is alright to ignore the minutes silence & disrespect our dead heroes on rememberance sunday, "tell them" that it is even accepted for them to practise sharia law over here.. and most important of all "tell them" that it is ok for them to commit another autrosity such as 7/7 & the savage killing of lee rigby over here.
good one fella I see your point

:banghead:

 

[brighton fella]

nice work dave, you've another 2 fighting your battle now. though it seems very ironic how none of them live here either.
the good old couldn't careless attitude.

 

[daveinprague]

My battle? haha There is no battle. Its just a matter of pointing, and laughing at EDL violent, neo nazi, racists...and people who excuse, and defend their ridiculousness.
I care enough, that I would rather not have drunk, violent, neo nazis being portayed as 'patriots'.
You forgot to say what 'carnage' you, or the EDL have prevented.
Who you, or the EDL plan to 'hit back' at exactly, or how the EDL are better equipped to tackle Islamic extremism than the Police, or the British security services?.

 

[Ex-Staffs Gull]

A man sees what he wants to see and disregards the rest.

 

[brighton fella]

My battle? haha There is no battle. Its just a matter of pointing, and laughing at EDL violent, neo nazi, racists...and people who excuse, and defend their ridiculousness.
I care enough, that I would rather not have drunk, violent, neo nazis being portayed as 'patriots'.
You forgot to say what 'carnage' you, or the EDL have prevented.
Who you, or the EDL plan to 'hit back' at exactly, or how the EDL are better equipped to tackle Islamic extremism than the Police, or the British security services?.[/QUOTE

racist is a very common word in your vocabulary, guess its an easy get out, a word socialists usually give when they've got no answer.
the racist organisation you call edl, have they of have they not got muslims within their ranks? I think you will find they have, so begs the question are they racist? I think you are confusing the word racist with nationalism. or in other words patriotic, something a socialist wouldn't understand.

 

[daveinprague]

Its very easy to use the word Nazis, and racists when discussing the EDL.
Its leader Tommy Robinson, has walked away from the leadership of the EDL because of the large element of neo nazis and racists in it.
Not an expert but Im pretty sure Tommy Robinson isnt a socialist.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi2qYsM4eP0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ji2Un7K3dM

Yes, there is A muslim in the EDL.....ONE..., and he is widely reviled by EDL members, if comments ive seen are anything to go by.

This particular socialist, served in the Royal Navy. Tell me how you have demonstrated your 'patriotism'

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Its very easy to use the word Nazis, and racists when discussing the EDL.
Its leader Tommy Robinson, has walked away from the leadership of the EDL because of the large element of neo nazis and racists in it.
Not an expert but Im pretty sure Tommy Robinson isnt a socialist.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi2qYsM4eP0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ji2Un7K3dM

Yes, there is A muslim in the EDL.....ONE..., and he is widely reviled by EDL members, if comments ive seen are anything to go by.

This particular socialist, served in the Royal Navy. Tell me how you have demonstrated your 'patriotism'

dave a man that reads a lot and believes a lot ,tell me you've got no plans to come back "home"
regards
DR

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

nice work dave, you've another 2 fighting your battle now. Though it seems very ironic how none of them live here either.
The good old couldn't careless attitude.

couldn't make it up could you
regards
DR

 

[daveinprague]

ah, more valid input from the Hitler licker. Thanks...

pssst....I didnt have to 'read' a video of Tommy Robinsons interview explaining the reasons he has left the EDL.


Ill be in Brighton later tonight, so I would like to take this opportunity to thank all the 'patriots' for keepiing fundamental Islamic clerics at bay, and making my stay, a safe one.
Cheers

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

ah, more valid input from the Hitler licker. Thanks...

pssst....I didnt have to 'read' a video of Tommy Robinsons interview explaining the reasons he has left the EDL.


Ill be in Brighton later tonight, so I would like to take this opportunity to thank all the 'patriots' for keepiing fundamental Islamic clerics at bay, and making my stay, a safe one.
Cheers

DON'T FORGET TO SIGN THE VISITORS BOOK WHEN YOU LEAVE
regards
DR

 

[brighton fella]

Its very easy to use the word Nazis, and racists when discussing the EDL.
Its leader Tommy Robinson, has walked away from the leadership of the EDL because of the large element of neo nazis and racists in it.
Not an expert but Im pretty sure Tommy Robinson isnt a socialist.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi2qYsM4eP0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ji2Un7K3dM

Yes, there is A muslim in the EDL.....ONE..., and he is widely reviled by EDL members, if comments ive seen are anything to go by.

This particular socialist, served in the Royal Navy. Tell me how you have demonstrated your 'patriotism'

tommy robinson definatley aint no socialist. let me put it a better way.. I said someone like yourself "a socialist" always fails to recognise the difference between nationalism & racism & often confuses the pair.. whereas trust me there is a vast difference.

to put answer to your last question.. unlike yourself I wasn't kicked out of what I had done "march for England" have you heard of it?

 

[daveinprague]

Ive not been kicked out of anything...What makes you think I have?

MFE....haha... a laughable group whose 'leadership' are located in Portsmouth.
Last time they 'marched' in Brighton, they were laughed out of the city by people
out shopping...and out of embarrassed petulance want to keep goiing to Brighton.

'I said someone like yourself "a socialist" always fails to recognise the difference between nationalism & racism & often confuses the pair'


So, Tommy is just confused, and doesnt understand the difference...thanks for the heads-up.

 

[brighton fella]

couldn't make it up could you
regards
DR

rather ironic don't you think, if that is the effect moving abroad does to you....no ****ing way hosay