Disgusting Racist Attck

[User removed 4]

Sorry, I still don't see why you use the word "minority" there as I don't see anywhere that says the girls in this attack weren't initially remanded in custody prior to trial. It certainly doesn't say that in the Mail article.Anyway, regarding Emma West - the BBC has now also reported that the magistrate denied bail "to protect her safety". Obviously if you want to believe the magistrate was lying, that's what you believe - but to say you're "certain" seems to be pushing it a little...

It doesnt, say it , but if they were it would certainly have have mentioned it as it was 17 months ago that the attack took place, and the BBC aren't saying anything about her being remanded for her own safety.

 

[maltaseagull]

Forgetting the Muslim bit for a second as no doubt people are going to get wound up by it, if 4 girls attacked your girlfriend and you were there at the time, how far would you go to defend her? Would you just try and block / pull them off her, or would you actually throw punches?

Because personally I would have no issue with hitting women in this situation, I'd beat the shit out of them. Am I alone in that?

My son did just that and had scars on his head where one of the girls hit him with a shoe. He pushed her away- she fell over and that was the bit caught on CCTV . Guilty of assault!

 

[KneeOn]

Did you watch the video at the bottom though? Full CCTV footage of the whole thing. Watching it and reading the article they could have been two different events. It was not clear who actually started it and at no point in it did I see "4 people beating the shit out of one defenceless girl".

You're blind. She was pushed to the floor, kicked, draged, punched and beaten by 3 other girls (the fourth didn't do much bar watch and probably shout stuff)

 

[34064 Fighter Command]

Why comment on it then? It's obviously pure conjecture.

It was said to have happened by someone who was actually there, who was NOT initially involved in the attack. So it isn't pure conjecture. It is debatable as to why this allegation has been made because it would give someone who was an initial peacemaker a reason for losing their temper, taking sides ( to back up their friend ) and joining in. That would count in the Judges mind as provocation, and give him cause to mitigate the sentence he imposes.

It's what the legal system allows him to do, he has to make a judgement based upon the cases made by both sides. The CCTV evidence won't ( and can't ) provide sufficient evidence on this particular point of the defences case, so it is open to conjecture I agree, but that does't mean it didn't happen.

 

[TWOCHOICEStom]

Did you watch the video at the bottom though? Full CCTV footage of the whole thing. Watching it and reading the article they could have been two different events. It was not clear who actually started it and at no point in it did I see "4 people beating the shit out of one defenceless girl".

Fair enough. I've not seen the video. But you get what I mean. 4 on 1 when 1 is on the floor isn't exactly what I'd call fair play.

 

[DTES]

It doesnt, say it , but if they were it would certainly have have mentioned it as it was 17 months ago that the attack took place

Why would they? The Daily Mail would have absolutely no reason to state they had already spent all that time inside as it would count against their own narrative spin (that they are getting away with it because they are Muslim). We just don't know - and you are assuming that they didn't spend any time inside.

The BBC aren't saying anything about her being remanded for her own safety.

Yes, they are: "A bail application was made by Ms West's solicitor David Ewings, but it was denied by the magistrate Ian McNeal to protect her safety." Link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-16051120

Identical quote from your own link to the Independent: "A bail application was made by West's solicitor David Ewings, but it was denied by the magistrate Ian McNeal to protect her safety."

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

It certainly looks from the CCTV footage like a 'Disgusting Drunken Attack' for sure. And the 'they weren't used to drinking because they're Muslims' line used by the defence is patently bollocks. Pretty disgusting to use the race/religion card and shame on the judge if he fell for it, as he seems to have done. Not 100% sure the whole thing adds up to a 'Disgusting Racist Attack' though.

 

[Bigbelly]

If that had been my girlfriend then I'd have knocked every girl out and kicked their teeth in and gone and got a bit of 2x2 timber and smashed their sculls.

 

[User removed 4]

Why would they? The Daily Mail would have absolutely no reason to state they had already spent all that time inside as it would count against their own narrative spin (that they are getting away with it because they are Muslim). We just don't know - and you are assuming that they didn't spend any time inside.



Yes, they are: "A bail application was made by Ms West's solicitor David Ewings, but it was denied by the magistrate Ian McNeal to protect her safety." Link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-16051120

Identical quote from your own link to the Independent: "A bail application was made by West's solicitor David Ewings, but it was denied by the magistrate Ian McNeal to protect her safety."

I dont believe for a minute she's been remanded for her own safety, it's an easy get out for the magistrate, if that were the case then the likes of nick griffin or anjem choudhary wouldnt be able to walk the streets.

 

[DTES]

I dont believe for a minute she's been remanded for her own safety, it's an easy get out for the magistrate, if that were the case then the likes of nick griffin or anjem choudhary wouldnt be able to walk the streets.

When Nick Griffin was in the glare of the media spotlight (just after he was elected to the European Parliament) he was not only the target of assault (he had personal bodyguards, so it was restricted to only throwing objects at him) but he was met by hundreds protesters and demonstrators on the streets - and to be honest probably still is met by protesters when making public appearances.

Emma West is now in the media spotlight. I think it's perfectly feasible that some nutcase would assault her, and that at the very least she would be subject to verbal abuse everywhere she went. Do you disagree?

This is all besides the case though, I'm still to see any evidence that she's being treated differently because she's white, which I thought was your "if it was the other way round" argument?

 

[Nibble]

It's obscene they got off but incomparable to the other court case.

 

[BadFish]

The only aborigines around here stab each other to death.

True story, happened just last Saturday.

Not really a true story that Tyrone, There are plenty of Aboriginies around here that don't stab each other to death.

 

[Long Saulty Seagull]

And if they were carrying cupcakes then god only knows how far I'd go.

I'd try a cupcake first to see if they're worth taking after I'd beaten the shit out of them.

 

[mistahclarke]

If you're going to "get this straight", I suggest you read all sides of the story. Both sides claimed they were racially abused first (the defendants by the boyfriend).

I do agree they should have gone to jail if what the Mail say is true - but as above, other newspapers have more details and allegations that the Mail have not printed. (I'm not commenting on why the Mail may have chosen to not print the allegations that the boyfriend racially abused them first).

Can't be bothered to read this binfest to see if anyone else has questioned why they didn't lay into the boyfriend instead then?


He looked twated anyway and could hardly stand, which he did enough of before trying to protect his girlfriend and throwing them off.

If they don't drink then why were they all pissed then? Usual Friday night or a birthday? Sounds odd to me.

 

[BadFish]

http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1857129

According to this article there are precedents for avoiding a custodial sentence due to the effects of alcohol. This article does raise the question of a the racsit element involved in the attack, May be it is just the fact that no-one else is around meant the racist things being shouted could not be proven in court.

 

[BadFish]

Can't be bothered to read this binfest to see if anyone else has questioned why they didn't lay into the boyfriend instead then?


He looked twated anyway and could hardly stand, which he did enough of before trying to protect his girlfriend and throwing them off.

If they don't drink then why were they all pissed then? Usual Friday night or a birthday? Sounds odd to me.

Looked like the boyfriend was more worried about his coat than his girlfriend to me.

In that video he moves towards the gang of girls quite aggressively when they are quite a distance away, looking like he knew they were going to attack. This suggests to me that he had already had dealings with them and it wasn't an unprovoked attack......Is this what came up in court??

 

[bn3gunner]

It seems a bit strange putting her into prison for her own safety, im sure prison would have more than its fair share of luatics likely to give her a slap

 

[Race]

i'd have opened up hong kong phooeys 'hong kong book of kong phoo'!!

 

[Barrel of Fun]

It seems a bit strange putting her into prison for her own safety, im sure prison would have more than its fair share of luatics likely to give her a slap

Easier to control, I am sure, rather than having her publically released and having a car sit outside her house.

 

[looney]

It seems a bit strange putting her into prison for her own safety, im sure prison would have more than its fair share of luatics likely to give her a slap

This is arse backwards to me as well. If someone has a pop at her for being in the spotlight then they should be jailed. Does sort of imply that immigrants are nasty savages that will eat her if they got hold of her.

I mean, If I threatend The Commander for example, Hypotheticaly, would he be jailed for his own protection? And if I was that much of a threat then why wouldn't I be jailed for his protection?