Despatches 8pm tonight

[Garry Nelson's Left Foot]

I'm confused, what does Sean Wright-Phillips have to do with this?

He doesn't like jonny foreigners either?

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

Oh I know that. I'm just wondering why algie was hinting that it's the Jews fault that the other 5 million have supposedly been forgotten about.

I think you will find that Algie in fact has some Jewish links to his family in the past. I think he was trying to say that 5 million had been forgotten about.

 

[algie]

I have re-read Algie,s post and I can,t see anywhere, that he,s hinting that it is the Jewish peoples fault.

Thank you.As people know from my old sig i'm pro Jewish

 

[algie]

Then it must be the way I percieve him.

Nah.You just can't read properly.Bit like my spelling sometimes

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

Thanks for your reply.....apologies for saying white fundamentalists and not Christian fundamentalists. Am off to the States in the morning, and there is an outside chance I will be able to go to a Christian fundamentalists meeting. Hoping it will be possible.....I want to be able to see first hand what some of them spout about.
I,m in the same boat of most I,m sure, of having deep reservations about any extremist group. There will always be extremists I,m afraid, but what I,m most interested in, is the effect the bile they spew out has on the audience.Something that last night,s programme failed to show.
By the way, I,m a cynical bugger at the best of times, so I,m fairly confident I won,t return to these shores in a white gown and a funny pointed hat...!

Well have fun over in the States and try to keep an open mind before you go to the christian fundamenalist meeting!
I don't know whether it is true but I have heard that over 50% of Americans literally believe that the world was created in 7 days!
Now meeting up with these people and meeting people in general is going to be very different from England, which is supposed to be the most secular state in the world.
I am like you, I think any extremist is dangerous, no matter what religion they follow.

 

[Garry Nelson's Left Foot]

Nah.You just can't read properly.Bit like my spelling sometimes

Your spelling can't read?

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

Thank you.As people know from my old sig i'm pro Jewish

I have often wondered that if you support the BNP what is their stance on Zionism, being that you are pro-jewish.

 

[clapham_gull]

I have often wondered that if you support the BNP what is their stance on Zionism, being that you are pro-jewish.

You won't get far with that one - I've tried

 

[algie]

I have often wondered that if you support the BNP what is their stance on Zionism, being that you are pro-jewish.

I have the answer within chap


Trust me

 

[algie]

You won't get far with that one - I've tried

Afternoon Claptrap

 

[Questions]

But why would we want to change the subject? Fighting reactionary fundamentalist ideas, whether they come from conservative Christian sources or various poisonous brands of Muslim extremism, is for me what being "left-wing" is all about.

All the hatred of gays I have seen reported in tonight's programme. Who would agree with that more then, us on the left or Algie's BNP mates?

The big difference between people like us and the Algies of the world is that we have a strategy to fight Muslim fundamentalism, which is a) isolate the extremists within their own communities with alliances with ordinary Muslims, and b) change our f***ed-up USA-arselicking foreign policy that has created a more dangerous world and fanned the growth of fundamentalist extremism.

Algie is not really that interested in defeating Muslim extremism, he just wants to use it to smear the entire Muslim community in this country to further his anti-immigrant, BNP-fellow traveller agenda.

How on earth could someone like Algie with his BNP-spouting nonsense approach any ordinary Muslim and say "let's work together to defeat extremism"?

Doesn't happen and will never happen.

Muslim extremists and Algie/BNP need each to justify each other's existence - so that one can point and say "that's representative of the Muslim-hating white crusaders of Britain" and the other can point and say "that's representative of the Muslims/pakis in Britain".

Fundamentalism is

The belief in old and traditional forms of religion, or the belief that what is written in a holy book, such as the Christian Bible, is completely true.
Why would you want to fight those people.
Muslim fundamentalists adhere to the strict teachings of the Koran but that does not make them evil or people likely to wage war on us infadels. Most Muslims- however fundamental in their beliefs have decried the killings by murdering Muslim extremists.
I dont think I would adhere to any any religious teachings but you just carry on time after time clumping people together in convenient groups.
Heaven help those Catholic Christian fundamentalists who still eat fish on a friday.

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

I have the answer within chap


Trust me

I have just looked on the BNP's website and they don't seem anti jewish from an article written by one of their members. Perhaps you are lucky Algie in that your Jewish heritage is not a problem for the BNP.

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

Fundamentalism is

The belief in old and traditional forms of religion, or the belief that what is written in a holy book, such as the Christian Bible, is completely true.
Why would you want to fight those people.
Muslim fundamentalists adhere to the strict teachings of the Koran but that does not make them evil or people likely to wage war on us infadels. Most Muslims- however fundamental in their beliefs have decried the killings by murdering Muslim extremists.
I dont think I would adhere to any any religious teachings but you just carry on time after time clumping people together in convenient groups.
Heaven help those Catholic Christian fundamentalists who still eat fish on a friday.

From the OED:

fundamentalism

• noun 1 a form of Protestant Christianity which upholds belief in the strict and literal interpretation of the Bible. 2 the strict maintenance of the ancient or fundamental doctrines of any religion or ideology.

So perhaps we shouldn't call the terrorists fundamentalists, just terrorists or extremists?

 

[Questions]

From the OED:

fundamentalism

• noun 1 a form of Protestant Christianity which upholds belief in the strict and literal interpretation of the Bible. 2 the strict maintenance of the ancient or fundamental doctrines of any religion or ideology.

So perhaps we shouldn't call the terrorists fundamentalists, just terrorists or extremists?

Exactly but L.I. likes to condense. Its a journalism thing apparently. Extreme left and right wing newspapers do it all the time. Its lazy in my opinion. If you can bandy people into certain groups i.e racists, right wingers, fundamentalists then you can make wholesale and sweeping statements.

 

[Questions]

I have the answer within chap


Trust me

You been busy Algie.

 

[Gerbil]

I've not read through all this so if this has already been said I'm sorry.

If Nick Griffin was taken to court for what he said in an undercover documentary I hope thses pricks last night will have the same fate.

Somehow, in this country, I don't think they will.

 

[Dandyman]

Thank you.As people know from my old sig i'm pro Jewish

Your old sig was pro-Israeli not pro-Jewish.

 

[British Bulldog]

I've not read through all this so if this has already been said I'm sorry.

If Nick Griffin was taken to court for what he said in an undercover documentary I hope thses pricks last night will have the same fate.

Somehow, in this country, I don't think they will.

Very little chance!

 

[somerset]

The Muslims are basically doing what the Catholic church did 500 years ago, run by a bunch of zealots who are out of touch with reality.
...

Fortunately we live in supposedly more enlightened times now, then it was fairly normal behaviour to rampage across the world, slaughtering innocents in the name of religion or some misguided sense of allegiance to some puffed up Lord/Duke/King/Queen/Emperor etc etc.

The protaganists in this particular set of conflicts have no such excuse........ it is NOT acceptable in this modern world to slaughter innocents whatever the persuasion/creed/religion... both sides are guilty to a greater or lesser degree, although it CANNOT be said that the 'West' ( for want of a better description) deliberately targets civilians............... OTHERS do, though there are plenty on this site that will deny it...... they are in the same category as those that deny the Holocaust.

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

Just finished watching the Despatches documentary about Islam.
I found it disturbing that people have views like this.
If the people on this documentary are found to be breaking any British law then they should be prosecuted.
I would like to point out that I would say the above about anyone who has those sort of views regardless of their religion or colour.
Extremists are dangerous.
Also it seems that we have rather a large problem in Saudia Arabia, as it seems that this form of extremism is being exported from there.
Trouble is we will turn a blind eye to it as Saudia is good for our economy.