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Charlie Hebdo - merged
- Thread starter Dick Head
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Good one!
"AP is reporting that the gunman at the kosher market in eastern Paris has threatened to kill his hostages if police launch an assault on the cornered brothers suspected in the Charlie Hebdo attack." - the Guardian.
What a horrific situation to deal with. Where would you even start?
What a horrific situation to deal with. Where would you even start?
I think we all pretty much know the end game in this already. Everyone dead. The gunmen have no intention of becoming anything other than Martyrs to Allah now, at this late stage, terrible as it is
I fear that you're right, but if they are now claiming to be protecting each other maybe they do still harbour some deluded ambitions of escape. I don't know how far they think they'll get - or how far they ever thought they'd get. Did they imagine they could drive their hijacked cars all the way to Syria and join ISIS or something??
Well if they don't have enough specialists to assault both sites simultaneously they have to put their best people on the supermarket as there are more hostages and it's in an urban area.
There are now 88,000 personnel (police + armed forces) across these two situations. Eighty-eight thousand. Wow.
Interesting that they are (apparently) trying to jam phone signals so the two groups can't talk to each other or access the internet - I guess that's one way to do it...
(Guardian source for both again)
Interesting that they are (apparently) trying to jam phone signals so the two groups can't talk to each other or access the internet - I guess that's one way to do it...
(Guardian source for both again)
JCL666
absurdism
- Sep 23, 2011
- 2,190
The Telegraph coverage is pretty comprehensive. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...11329976/Paris-Charlie-Hebdo-attack-live.html
Something l've read on there that is extremely worrying is this.
Researcher Myriam Benraad at the Paris Science Po university, who has studied terror cells in Paris, is warning a renowned terror cell in the city has reawoken and to expect more attacks. Nicola Harley reports:
Ms Benraad researched Paris' Buttes-Charmont terror cell, named after the park where they trained, which was created by Farid Benyettou who befriended and recruited the Kouachi brothers and others at the city's Addawa mosque.
The latest wanted suspect Amedy Coulibaly, who is allegedly involved in a shooting at a grocers in Paris' Port de Vincennes where two people have died and behind yesterday's killing of a policewoman, was part of the same terror cell.
She said: "Coulibaly is part of the same group as the Kouachi brothers. They were part of the same neighbourhood.
"This would confirm this has not been a lone wolf attack. It is the awakening of the terror cell of an old network to jihadi calls to wage war against France. I believe it is in response to calls by Isil for French extremists to carry out attacks on their home soil.
I think this is just the start.
I studied Farid Benyettou's cell in 2005 when Cherif Kouachi failed to get to Syria.
This cell consisted of no more than 20 people, three others have been imprisoned, not included these three men.
The leader of the mosque would have guided them initially before they came under Benyettou's charismatic spell. He was the first major influence for Cherif and the second was meeting terrorist Djamel Beglal while in prison.
He really radicalised him and he then influenced his brother and others.
The Buttes-Charmont network shows a profile of similar radicalised young men. The members mainly from the neighbourhood and the local mosque.
These attacks mean they had a plan for waging attacks in the country.
This network sent men to Syria and Iraq in 2005 and has remained dormant until now and reawoken. It never disappeared. These are boys from the ghetto who have been ostracised from society and felt deprived and unwanted and have been vulnerable to being radicalised and being promised a better life. Like the Kouachi brothers they were abandoned by their parents or neglected and did feel integrated into society and have felt stigmatised as Muslims in France.
"Cherif was obsessed with jihad and kept that obsession for 10 years before this week."
Something l've read on there that is extremely worrying is this.
Researcher Myriam Benraad at the Paris Science Po university, who has studied terror cells in Paris, is warning a renowned terror cell in the city has reawoken and to expect more attacks. Nicola Harley reports:
Ms Benraad researched Paris' Buttes-Charmont terror cell, named after the park where they trained, which was created by Farid Benyettou who befriended and recruited the Kouachi brothers and others at the city's Addawa mosque.
The latest wanted suspect Amedy Coulibaly, who is allegedly involved in a shooting at a grocers in Paris' Port de Vincennes where two people have died and behind yesterday's killing of a policewoman, was part of the same terror cell.
She said: "Coulibaly is part of the same group as the Kouachi brothers. They were part of the same neighbourhood.
"This would confirm this has not been a lone wolf attack. It is the awakening of the terror cell of an old network to jihadi calls to wage war against France. I believe it is in response to calls by Isil for French extremists to carry out attacks on their home soil.
I think this is just the start.
I studied Farid Benyettou's cell in 2005 when Cherif Kouachi failed to get to Syria.
This cell consisted of no more than 20 people, three others have been imprisoned, not included these three men.
The leader of the mosque would have guided them initially before they came under Benyettou's charismatic spell. He was the first major influence for Cherif and the second was meeting terrorist Djamel Beglal while in prison.
He really radicalised him and he then influenced his brother and others.
The Buttes-Charmont network shows a profile of similar radicalised young men. The members mainly from the neighbourhood and the local mosque.
These attacks mean they had a plan for waging attacks in the country.
This network sent men to Syria and Iraq in 2005 and has remained dormant until now and reawoken. It never disappeared. These are boys from the ghetto who have been ostracised from society and felt deprived and unwanted and have been vulnerable to being radicalised and being promised a better life. Like the Kouachi brothers they were abandoned by their parents or neglected and did feel integrated into society and have felt stigmatised as Muslims in France.
"Cherif was obsessed with jihad and kept that obsession for 10 years before this week."
vegster
Sanity Clause
- May 5, 2008
- 27,987
You try to block all forms of media at both sites so as the solo gunman does not know what happens to the brothers and vice versa. Then you probably need a simultaneous assault. It's sticky though to say the least.
symyjym
Banned
Pump sleeping gas into the supermarket could be considered.
SIMMO SAYS
Well-known member
Russians did that once-----not a good outcome.
clippedgull
Hotdogs, extra onions
Gunfire and explosions at 'Charlie Hebdo' suspects location.
Hillian1
( . ) ( . )
Guess we'll find out if the Supermarket mob are serious now then.
Mackenzie
Old Brightonian
The French police appear to be pretty inept.
Hillian1
( . ) ( . )
symyjym
Banned
Yep I know, but I don't know if the chemicals, process and aftercare have been refined since then. The Russian theatre had a bad ending, but even then, it may have been better than the alternative ending with no survivors.
According to the French government, there are 87,000 police officers engaged on the two sites. I don't know how many coppers there are in France but unless there are millions of them, it's probably a great day to be a burglar
http://www.interieur.gouv.fr/Actual...-de-securite-dans-le-cadre-du-plan-Vigipirate