BUBA - did he influence anyone to his point of view?

[ben andrews' girlfriend]

I think he just reinforced my view that the israli / palestine conflict is just plain stupid.

 

[Les Biehn]

Always good when some believes more in the unquestionable validity of some bygone scripture than the value of other humans that don't believe in the holy moly boly they are dribbling.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

I kept out of the original thread.

But I recognised Buba's point of view and style of debate. I first came across it on a visit to Israel a few years back. Meeting people like him was one of the most depressing things about the place. In any other context, they might come across as friendly, articulate, welcoming individuals - but, in reality, they drove me to distraction. The Palestinians I met were quite different - they were just friendly, articulate and welcoming.

I've been to Israel twice. On both occasions I was treated with the same random level of openness and friendliness and respect and low-level hassle from both Israelis and Palestinians that I'd encounter in everyday Brighton.

I strongly suspect that left to their own devices, like the people of Northern Ireland, both sides would get along just fine. Or at least learn to co-exist. Mutual respect for the holy sites in Jerusalem is a case in point. Everybody gets to worship the god of their choice.

But while one side's doing suicide bombs and lobbing missiles over borders, and the other side is seriously over the top heavy-handed in retribution then things are going to stay much as they are for the foreseeable. Which is a tragedy all round.

 

[Simster]

There were a number of people that reported the thread for various reasons, and I took the decsion to remove it.

People complained at Buba, not his retarded thread you utter muppet.

 

[HampshireSeagulls]

People complained at Buba, not his retarded thread you utter muppet.

Nope. I sent VH/Bozza some information about Buba (and similar situations from other forums) which relate heavily to my former employment within a uniformed IT security environment and official propaganda units that exist in other countries (and this one, actually). I did put a post on the original thread, and as I suspected and stated to Bozza and VH, Buba multi-posted to take it out of view. I suspect Buba came to this forum based on some Google searches, highlighting posts from people such as Looney and Algie which may appear anti-Semitic. A similar situation occured on the Army Rumour Service (ARRSE), which was visited by an entire brigade of "cut and paste" propaganda merchants from Israel. They almost took over the board (which is a lot bigger than this one), and took a lot of getting rid of. It was not unknown for a single post from one of them to take up a whole page - it made the site almost unusable.

I think it was probably in light of this information that the decision was made to drop the thread and ban Buba. If what I thought was happening, was happening here, then you would have ended up with no forum at all - and it would have been NSP for all of us.

Which I am sure is not a situation that we would have wanted, unless your particular "jolly" is having avatar names which relate to ejaculation.....

 

[Brovion]

and ignoring the pleas from those of us who felt it was not needed?

Yes, sorry. If you look at this thread you'll see that the majority wanted it to continue, or at very least just be locked. However it's done now and Buba's banned - and even though I think Virgo's Haricut is a snivelling little toady with a Prefect's badge he's in power and I'm not and thus he can make these decisions.

I think it reflects very badly on NSC when a minority can get their way but there you go. Nothing against you, it was your right to complain.

EDIT:

Just read Hampshire Seagulls post but I stand by what I said. Even if Buba WAS working for Mossad.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Nope. I sent VH/Bozza some information about Buba (and similar situations from other forums) which relate heavily to my former employment within a uniformed IT security environment and official propaganda units that exist in other countries (and this one, actually). I did put a post on the original thread, and as I suspected and stated to Bozza and VH, Buba multi-posted to take it out of view. I suspect Buba came to this forum based on some Google searches, highlighting posts from people such as Looney and Algie which may appear anti-Semitic. A similar situation occured on the Army Rumour Service (ARRSE), which was visited by an entire brigade of "cut and paste" propaganda merchants from Israel. They almost took over the board (which is a lot bigger than this one), and took a lot of getting rid of. It was not unknown for a single post from one of them to take up a whole page - it made the site almost unusable.

I think it was probably in light of this information that the decision was made to drop the thread and ban Buba. If what I thought was happening, was happening here, then you would have ended up with no forum at all - and it would have been NSP for all of us.

Total bollocks. It was transparently obvious to all earlydoors that Buba was dropped in the midst of NSC to generate heavy pro-Israeli propoganda. Anybody with half a brain would have ascertained that within a couple of posts on that thread. He was either sat on a kibbutz or on the campus of a university witth a library of links at his disposal. I for one feel it was an honour in a weird twisted way that NSC - as a nominal football messageboard - was targeted and had so much resources directed towards it. The discussion itself generated very few threads and the posts within those threads were in the main well-argued and intelligent. It was a decent debate. I'm pretty sure that Bubba was in fact warming to the board and could in time maybe have become as much a fixture as SJLM. Stay for the banter innit. Where's the harm?

 

[HampshireSeagulls]

Total bollocks. It was transparently obvious to all earlydoors that Buba was dropped in the midst of NSC to generate heavy pro-Israeli propoganda. Anybody with half a brain would have ascertained that within a couple of posts on that thread. He was either sat on a kibbutz or on the campus of a university witth a library of links at his disposal. I for one feel it was an honour in a weird twisted way that NSC - as a nominal football messageboard - was targeted and had so much resources directed towards it. The discussion itself generated very few threads and the posts within those threads were in the main well-argued and intelligent. It was a decent debate. I'm pretty sure that Bubba was in fact warming to the board and could in time maybe have become as much a fixture as SJLM. Stay for the banter innit. Where's the harm?

Thanks. You said "total bollocks" - then repeated what I said in the first place! The best bit is that I actually worked with the US version of these people, and it was known that Israel had the same setup - except they are not all students, they come under the military system (don't forget that military service is compulsory in Israel). There is no such thing as a "nominal" board - they will Google search any anti-semitic postings, and respond as appropriate! VH and Bozza have the background in the PM.

Have a look at this - http://usinfo.state.gov/journals/itps/0207/ijpe/curtin.htm - John Curtin has the overall responsibility for the US version of this. The US take this seriously, even to the extent of posting counter-messages on Youtube and other message boards. You would be amazed where these people turn up. They realised quite quickly that the "terrorists/freedom fighters" had the ability to move information around on the internet, so developed teams to counter this.

 

[Man of Harveys]

I'm pretty sure that Bubba was in fact warming to the board and could in time maybe have become as much a fixture as SJLM.

I'm pretty sure that's utter crap!

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Thanks. You said "total bollocks" - then repeated what I said in the first place! The best bit is that I actually worked with the US version of these people, and it was known that Israel had the same setup - except they are not all students, they come under the military system (don't forget that military service is compulsory in Israel).

The 'total bollocks' comment was regarding this:

If what I thought was happening, was happening here, then you would have ended up with no forum at all - and it would have been NSP for all of us.

Total over-the-top bollocks (that word again) from an IT Security Expert, who, as anybody whose tried to do a job within any size of organisation, are the IT jobsworth equivalent of the Health & Safety or Human Resources jobsworths - the departments put in place to stop you doing your job. The departments you try to by-pass to get things done.

We could have had good sport with Buba. We would definitely have held our own. Hell, we could have TURNED him. Instead we just get the NSC equivalent of the nanny state telling us what's good for us.

Bunch of arse.

 

[Buzzer]

I'm pretty sure that Bubba was in fact warming to the board and could in time maybe have become as much a fixture as SJLM. Stay for the banter innit. Where's the harm? [/B]

that's really not fair on SJLM. He's a thoroughly decent, if deranged, bloke who's in denial about which team he loves.

Buba was mmmmmaddddddd.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

The thread is now back ... by popular demand.

 

[The Merry Prankster]

These days the people (who think they are) protecting me worry me more than those they think they are protecting me from.

 

[HampshireSeagulls]

I'd just like to keep this board from dropping into the swamp. If you want to see how this happens, go to www.arrse.co.uk and search for a poster called "mora". See if you recognise anything...posts up to 500 lines long, huge tracts of text and reference cut and pasted into arguments, not always relevant to them. Threads hijacked and twisted. Everyone being accused of racism, anti-semitism, offensive PMs, threads being locked and removed, accounts being suspended, multiple accounts from single people......

Shit, not much different from here already then!

 

[Brovion]

I'd just like to keep this board from dropping into the swamp. If you want to see how this happens, go to www.arrse.co.uk and search for a poster called "mora". See if you recognise anything...posts up to 500 lines long, huge tracts of text and reference cut and pasted into arguments, not always relevant to them. Threads hijacked and twisted. Everyone being accused of racism, anti-semitism, offensive PMs, threads being locked and removed, accounts being suspended, multiple accounts from single people......

I take your point but I think banning him just because he *might* end up spamming the board is a bit OTT. It's like arresting someone just because they 'look a bit shifty'. In fairness to him he'd kept all his bile in one thread rather than hijacking others. Maybe they'd learned a bit from their ARRSE experience? After all you can't spread the word if you're banned so in that respect he played the game.

And as THPP said we could have turned him! Next Saturday he might have wandered into the Synagogue in his newly-purchased Brighton shirt saying "Hey guys, the PLO are right you know!"

 

[HampshireSeagulls]

I take your point but I think banning him just because he *might* end up spamming the board is a bit OTT. It's like arresting someone just because they 'look a bit shifty'. In fairness to him he'd kept all his bile in one thread rather than hijacking others. Maybe they'd learned a bit from their ARRSE experience? After all you can't spread the word if you're banned so in that respect he played the game.

And as THPP said we could have turned him! Next Saturday he might have wandered into the Synagogue in his newly-purchased Brighton shirt saying "Hey guys, the PLO are right you know!"

Slightly more chance of Thierry Henry turning up in a Tottenham shirt and asking "Ok then Boss, where do you want me to play?"

The concept of infowar is great, but for some reason the absolute diehards turn into the online equivalent of the Jehovah's Witnesses. The concept of subtle information spread seems to have been the lecture they slept through. Mora on Arrse was incredible, huge great tracts of cut and paste "facts and figures" - to the point when one thread consisted of six pages of one post per page - all this at the time when Mel Gibson went off on one, and Israel was on daytrips into Palestine to recover the two soldiers who got kidnapped. Mental does not even begin to cover it!

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

The thread is now back ... by popular demand.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

I'd just like to keep this board from dropping into the swamp.

Bully for you

 

[HampshireSeagulls]

Bully for you

Oooooh - you're brave. And such a fast typer considering you are doing it one handed....

 

[tedebear]

The thread is now back ... by popular demand.

Popular? How odd...I'd say the more opinionated of the day won out.

I find it perplexing that people on here are happy to allow NSC to be a vechicle for this extremist to post, yet want to see Adrie banned for his trivial diatribes, or one week suspensions for various others. Yet this thread has it all and people are happy for it to remain.