Britain needs millions MORE immigrants says the Office for Budget Responsibility...

[BuddyBoy]

NOTHING TO DO WITH RACISM ,ARE YOU BLIND YOU FOOL
regards
DR

Being terrified of multiculturalism and under the illusion that British identity is lost is, almost by definition, racist. And stop shouting, you appear even more bigoted with the caps on.

 

[Footsoldier]

Racism is probably bad for the blood pressure.

That's what the Labour party peddled out in their 12 years in office, if the public dare mention the word immigration then you were branded a racist or bigot (Gordan Browns famous quote) but now it's ok to talk about it as the public are starting to see above these Labour lies and can see the damage being inflicted on their local communitys.

The british people have had enough and now turning to UKIP.

More immigrants to come? God help us all. Hospitals at bursting point. Schools can't cope. Not enough housing. The list goes on.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Being terrified of multiculturalism and under the illusion that British identity is lost is, almost by definition, racist. And stop shouting, you appear even more bigoted with the caps on.

I'M NOT TERRIFIED BUT I AM ANNOYED WITH SOME OF THE DOSSERS THAT HAVE ARRIVED IN THE COUNTRY and you still think we've not lost any identity, glad to see things tightening up, all to late sadly
regards
DR

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

The reason why is very obvious to anyone who understands economics.. The wealthy employee controlling minority want a labour force that is cheap.

If any government really wanted to lift its citizens out of poverty it would halt immigation and raise the minimum wage so that "joe public" is not paying billions in benefits like council tax and work credits to subsidise the cheap labour costs that firms love.

Quite.

Mass immigration to provide cheap labour (sic) for the cotton mills in Lancashire was introduced by whom? The Conservatives. Specifocally, the minister in charge, one Enoch Powell. Yes indeed. One and the same. Old 'rivers of blood'.

Until the racism aspects crept into anti-immigration, the Labour party was against immigration for the reasons explained in the quotes above.

Then in the 70s we had the NF and 'paki-bashing' and bizarre worship of nazis by self-styled British patriots, and the left shifted its position in reaction, and became pro-immigration (sort of) and anti-racist (sort of . . . then very definitely).

Its a funny old world, but, to be sure, the tories are not interested in patriotism. They are interested in power and money, and they are very good indeed in achieving the first and acquiring the second - for themselves.

All this green, alternative nonsense is just a diversion. As is (sadly) socialism. The Power Elite . . . . time I listened to my 70 Gwen Party CDs . . . Lol!

 

[BuddyBoy]

I'M NOT TERRIFIED BUT I AM ANNOYED WITH SOME OF THE DOSSERS THAT HAVE ARRIVED IN THE COUNTRY and you still think we've not lost any identity, glad to see things tightening up, all to late sadly
regards
DR

There's always a good argument to be had about immigration. I'm not against people expressing concern about 'mass immigration', but the over-hyped 'Britain is going to the dogs' madness is just rubbish. I've lived in the most multi-cultural city in the country for years and it's the mixed communities that make it an alright place. There's not a shred of evidence to suggest a majority of newcomers are dossers or scroungers.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

That's what the Labour party peddled out in their 12 years in office, if the public dare mention the word immigration then you were branded a racist or bigot (Gordan Browns famous quote) but now it's ok to talk about it as the public are starting to see above these Labour lies and can see the damage being inflicted on their local communitys.

The british people have had enough and now turning to UKIP.

More immigrants to come? God help us all. Hospitals at bursting point. Schools can't cope. Not enough housing. The list goes on.

Ninja dressing gown boy is back!

This may be the hot topic in your your yoof club, but in the world of adults, life is a bit more complicated.

I invite you to come over to where I live, and pick some fruit and veg. No? Don't fancy it? Hmm . . . I suspect you are not alone. That's why Kent is awash with Czech and Polish people picking the crops. Its all very well banning immigrants, (and most of the people to which I refer go home, albeit some stay). But unless we enforce compulsory farmwork for the UK's mass of unwashed white trash, the crops will die.

Economics, dear boy. Most of us accept it. Some like it. Others brood about it. You won't change it. No matter how many of your yoof club mates you exhort to vote for UKRAP.

 

[BuddyBoy]

Quite.

Mass immigration to provide cheap labour (sic) for the cotton mills in Lancashire was introduced by whom? The Conservatives. Specifocally, the minister in charge, one Enoch Powell. Yes indeed. One and the same. Old 'rivers of blood'.

Until the racism aspects crept into anti-immigration, the Labour party was against immigration for the reasons explained in the quotes above.

Then in the 70s we had the NF and 'paki-bashing' and bizarre worship of nazis by self-styled British patriots, and the left shifted its position in reaction, and became pro-immigration (sort of) and anti-racist (sort of . . . then very definitely).

Its a funny old world, but, to be sure, the tories are not interested in patriotism. They are interested in power and money, and they are very good indeed in achieving the first and acquiring the second - for themselves.

All this green, alternative nonsense is just a diversion. As is (sadly) socialism. The Power Elite . . . . time I listened to my 70 Gwen Party CDs . . . Lol!

Socialism is not a diversion of any sorts but a social and economic argument for wealth distribution and working class solidarity (of all cultures). The lefts anti-racism is about uniting workers of whatever creed against the capitalist class - the opposite of the real 'diversion' of anti-immigrant sentiment.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

There's always a good argument to be had about immigration. I'm not against people expressing concern about 'mass immigration', but the over-hyped 'Britain is going to the dogs' madness is just rubbish. I've lived in the most multi-cultural city in the country for years and it's the mixed communities that make it an alright place. There's not a shred of evidence to suggest a majority of newcomers are dossers or scroungers.

nothings being over hyped , it's all coming to the surface now ,PEOPLE FEELING MORE CONFIDENT TO AIR THEIR VIEWS WITHOUT THE RACIST TAG BEING APPLIED, lets see how things map out in the future local elections
regards
DR

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

ninja dressing gown boy is back!

This may be the hot topic in your your yoof club, but in the world of adults, life is a bit more complicated.

I invite you to come over to where i live, and pick some fruit and veg. No? Don't fancy it? Hmm . . . I suspect you are not alone. That's why kent is awash with czech and polish people picking the crops. Its all very well banning immigrants, (and most of the people to which i refer go home, albeit some stay). But unless we enforce compulsory farmwork for the uk's mass of unwashed white trash, the crops will die.

Economics, dear boy. Most of us accept it. Some like it. Others brood about it. You won't change it. No matter how many of your yoof club mates you exhort to vote for ukrap.

what do they do when the crops have been picked
regards
DR

 

[Footsoldier]

Ninja dressing gown boy is back!

This may be the hot topic in your your yoof club, but in the world of adults, life is a bit more complicated.

I invite you to come over to where I live, and pick some fruit and veg. No? Don't fancy it? Hmm . . . I suspect you are not alone. That's why Kent is awash with Czech and Polish people picking the crops. Its all very well banning immigrants, (and most of the people to which I refer go home, albeit some stay). But unless we enforce compulsory farmwork for the UK's mass of unwashed white trash, the crops will die.

Economics, dear boy. Most of us accept it. Some like it. Others brood about it. You won't change it. No matter how many of your yoof club mates you exhort to vote for UKRAP.

We'll find out at the next election won't we.

 

[BadFish]

...and it's being reported JUST like that by the Senior Political Correspondent of The Telegraph. Not The Guardian. The Telegraph.

Who wants to tell bushy?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...ts-to-reduce-strain-of-ageing-population.html

But I thought that immigrants cost the UK money. This is suggesting that they make the UK money.

Certainly seems to blow many of the standard NSC anti immigration arguments out of the water.

Oh well I suppose we can still listen to the bigots bang on about how they don't integrate or accept our culture. And how they are not allowed to raise their bigoted points without being branded bigots.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Socialism is not a diversion of any sorts but a social and economic argument for wealth distribution and working class solidarity (of all cultures). The lefts anti-racism is about uniting workers of whatever creed against the capitalist class - the opposite of the real 'diversion' of anti-immigrant sentiment.

I meant that it is not relevant to raise 'socialism' as an argument in favour of (or against) immigration. It is irrelevant. You don't have to be 'left' to treat everyone 'equally' (at least until they have had a chance to let themselves down).

Socialism begins at home for me. Not because I am a little Englander but because it is foolish to allow one's reach to exceed one's grasp. British socialists can't change the world before they change the UK. And Labour have made numerous errors. For example, allowing people to come over here (sic) to use the NHS while not lobbying for a reciprocal arrangement. That is demented.

My experience on committees has helped me understand how Labour cocked it up (for themselves). On this occasion I agree with Ninja Pyjamas. Its not just about dogma ('socialism') it is about common sense. If you make stupid decisions, informed by your interpretation of what fits the dogma, then you make a wrong decision.

However, its not easy. What makes a successful politician? The ability to make the electorate 'resonate' with hum of your hot breath. Plausibility.

I have my own political views, but I have little hope or expectation they will achieve full expression through my elected representatives. So it goes. I'll settle for partial.

 

[beorhthelm]

its not complicated. immigrants that work = good for the economy. immigrants that dont work = bad for the economy. obviously the intent here is for the former. frankly there should be a swap scheme, those that want to come here and work can replace those that apparently dont want to do the jobs the immigrants find to do.

 

[Seagull on the wing]

Wake up people. The rich elite have supreme influence over our politics and these decisions are being made in their interests, not in those of the British public.

It is tragic that we are sitting back and let our country and quality of lives diminish solely to support their excessive lifestyles.

How bad do things have to get before people accept that our economic system & politics are broken -and those in power cannot or will not fix it? Think of the Britain your children and children's children will be living in.

Wondered how long it would take for you to pop up with the 'class envy' card....which outgoing government left a note saying 'There's no money left....? Do you really think that McClusky and the Unite union are capable of running the country....?
Whether you like it or not...Bankers are one of the main earners in this country.
BTW I have been a working man all my life and a union man....mainly because I was forced to join if I wanted the job. Apart from working a few years on the oil rigs ...I have never earned a massive wedge....yes there are some people who inherited their wealth but there are far more who started out as a pleb and worked their way to the top.

 

[BadFish]

Wondered how long it would take for you to pop up with the 'class envy' card....which outgoing government left a note saying 'There's no money left....? Do you really think that McClusky and the Unite union are capable of running the country....?
Whether you like it or not...Bankers are one of the main earners in this country.
BTW I have been a working man all my life and a union man....mainly because I was forced to join if I wanted the job. Apart from working a few years on the oil rigs ...I have never earned a massive wedge....yes there are some people who inherited their wealth but there are far more who started out as a pleb and worked their way to the top.

In government? i find this very difficult to believe and if you can provide credible evidence for this it will rock the foundations of my view of the UK political system.

 

[Guinness Boy]

its not complicated. immigrants that work = good for the economy. immigrants that dont work = bad for the economy. obviously the intent here is for the former. frankly there should be a swap scheme, those that want to come here and work can replace those that apparently dont want to do the jobs the immigrants find to do.

I love how you bung "them" all together. What an earth does a Japanese trader or Indian IT specialist have in common with a Polish commis chef or Romanian bog cleaner? What happens when "they" get old and need a pension and social support. Should they **** off home? It is very complicated. That's why people debate it all the time without coming to an agreed solution.

 

[BuddyBoy]

Wondered how long it would take for you to pop up with the 'class envy' card....which outgoing government left a note saying 'There's no money left....? Do you really think that McClusky and the Unite union are capable of running the country....?
Whether you like it or not...Bankers are one of the main earners in this country.
BTW I have been a working man all my life and a union man....mainly because I was forced to join if I wanted the job. Apart from working a few years on the oil rigs ...I have never earned a massive wedge....yes there are some people who inherited their wealth but there are far more who started out as a pleb and worked their way to the top.

There's no money left in the public coffers, that's for sure. There's a hell of a lot floating around though and it's a damn shame nation states are held hostage by the wealthiest of elites who threaten to up and run if there's even a whiff of redistributing that wealth through progressive taxation. Come on, class envy has nothing to do with recognising the relatively new, or revived, phenomenon of extreme financial hoarding by the biggest corporations. How long are people going to continue with this 'politics of envy' bile before understanding the massive inequalities of the last 30 years are simply unsustainable? McClusky et al argue for redistribution. The low wage economy ain't working and trickle down economics is dead in the water.

 

[BadFish]

There's no money left in the public coffers, that's for sure. There's a hell of a lot floating around though and it's a damn shame nation states are held hostage by the wealthiest of elites who threaten to up and run if there's even a whiff of redistributing that wealth through progressive taxation. Come on, class envy has nothing to do with recognising the relatively new, or revived, phenomenon of extreme financial hoarding by the biggest corporations. How long are people going to continue with this 'politics of envy' bile before understanding the massive inequalities of the last 30 years are simply unsustainable? McClusky et al argue for redistribution. The low wage economy ain't working and trickle down economics is dead in the water.

Exactly. Playing the 'class envy card' card is really just a substitute for thinking, a lazy way to brush off an argument without addressing it. Much like playing the racist card against someone who has concerns about immigration.

 

[clapham_gull]

Just to make sure I understand your point - if the minimum wage were abolished, wages would go up?

Weirdly against my better nature I agree with Mr Pork. In my industry I witnessed low wages decrease with the introduction of the minimum wage.

The employees suddenly realised what they could get away with and did.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Wondered how long it would take for you to pop up with the 'class envy' card....which outgoing government left a note saying 'There's no money left....? Do you really think that McClusky and the Unite union are capable of running the country....?
Whether you like it or not...Bankers are one of the main earners in this country.
BTW I have been a working man all my life and a union man....mainly because I was forced to join if I wanted the job. Apart from working a few years on the oil rigs ...I have never earned a massive wedge....yes there are some people who inherited their wealth but there are far more who started out as a pleb and worked their way to the top.

Quite.

Also, most people I know have got richer and more comfortable over the last 30 years. This seems to have little to do with what party is in power. And most political debate (in the media) is about fringe issues.

That aside, it is a worry that the UK makes and exports far too little to sustain the economy.

Frances Fukuoka wrote about the end of history more than 10 years ago. Meaning: the system we have now is so good (liberal democracy) it will never be bettered.

I'm not so confident. I can easily see a financial crash coinciding with the rise of a right wing charismatic leader (not the arse Farrage, someone not yet on the scene) and the UK suddenly plunges into some sort of hideous madness: compulsory employment, families forcibly moved from Dover to Burnley (for example), and lashings of capital punishment.

Mind you . . . could be worse - Lol! I mean that seriously. When I was younger the solution was simple - deport (or kill) the blacks. Not even the most quarter-witted folk around invoke this sort of final solution these days. Viva progress . . .