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[Politics] Brexit

If there was a second Brexit referendum how would you vote?


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GrizzlingGammon

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As a mod I have to be much nicer than Simster, but, honestly, the mental gymnastics needed to get to your original point and this reply are in Nadia Comăneci territory.

"Nothing much has altered"? Since the 2016 referendum the whole planet has been altered by a pandemic and two large scale wars, the country has seen three unelected prime ministers, the latest of whom has less support that Rochdale's away following, a leading Brexiteer Prime Minister has broken the law of the land, Northern Ireland doesn't have a government, Nigel Farage has been de-banked, people's mortgages, food and heating have trebled and still the little rubber boats keep coming at an even greater rate.

What would it take for you? A nuclear bomb?
If it hits Burnley, would anyone notice?
 


WATFORD zero

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Why woudn't Italy be used as an example - they use PR?

I almost stopped reading at Hungary, then I thought no - I'll carry on - but I really did stop when you listed Albania, Djibouti and Libya. :ROFLMAO:

As I said, you could use Italy as an example of PR or you could use Germany, Hungary, Albania, Republic of Moldova, Armenia, Austria, Belgium, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Andorra, Georgia, Lithuania, North Macedonia, Ukraine, Estonia, Finland, Greece, Iceland, Kosovo, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Monaco, Montenegro, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, San Marino, Serbia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Ireland or Malta as examples.

And maybe just limiting it to European examples is more to your liking :wink:

And for examples of FPTP, you use UK, Belarus or ....................... oh that's it :shrug:

But this thread is about Brexit :thumbsup:
 


Pavilionaire

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I enjoyed reading the exchange between Simster and HWT. There's nothing wrong with a bit of robust debate.

As regards Brexit, what this Covid enquiry is revealing is just how awful the main spokespeople for Vote Leave (Johnson / Cummings) actually are as people.

For them, it's all about short-termism, popularity, power. They are both arrogant, two-faced, duplicitous liars, with no consideration for other people and no consideration for the shitfest they leave behind once their snouts are out of the political trough.
 


Fignon's Ponytail

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As regards Brexit, what this Covid enquiry is revealing is just how awful the main spokespeople for Vote Leave (Johnson / Cummings) actually are as people.

For them, it's all about short-termism, popularity, power. They are both arrogant, two-faced, duplicitous liars, with no consideration for other people and no consideration for the shitfest they leave behind once their snouts are out of the political trough.
futurama agree GIF
 




WATFORD zero

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I enjoyed reading the exchange between Simster and HWT. There's nothing wrong with a bit of robust debate.

As regards Brexit, what this Covid enquiry is revealing is just how awful the main spokespeople for Vote Leave (Johnson / Cummings) actually are as people.

For them, it's all about short-termism, popularity, power. They are both arrogant, two-faced, duplicitous liars, with no consideration for other people and no consideration for the shitfest they leave behind once their snouts are out of the political trough.

But not everyone was taken in and fooled by those narcissistic clowns Johnson and Cummings





Farage managed to get quite a few too :wink:
 




Harry Wilson's tackle

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As I said, you could use Italy as an example of PR or you could use Germany, Hungary, Albania, Republic of Moldova, Armenia, Austria, Belgium, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Andorra, Georgia, Lithuania, North Macedonia, Ukraine, Estonia, Finland, Greece, Iceland, Kosovo, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Monaco, Montenegro, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, San Marino, Serbia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Ireland or Malta as examples.

And maybe just limiting it to European examples is more to your liking :wink:

And for examples of FPTP, you use UK, Belarus or ....................... oh that's it :shrug:

But this thread is about Brexit :thumbsup:
I'd rather be right than in the majority. :wink:
 






Harry Wilson's tackle

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I have a horrible feeling we're only ever going to resolve this over a few beers


A couple of nice bottles of red


And a good Cognac :wink:
I'm IN!
 






WATFORD zero

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I notice no one on here is so deluded that s/he will defend those two, so that's progress.....
Ooh, do let me know when the invites go out.

Imagine quoting the wrong but ironically appropriate post, you really need to be quicker on the edit button :facepalm:

It's very kind of you to offer, and I don't wish to appear rude, but if myself and H had wanted to be joined by a dribbling moron, we would have arranged this before ppf was banned :thumbsup:
 
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Lever

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Imagine quoting the wrong but ironically appropriate post, you really need to be quicker on the edit button :lolol:

It's very kind of you to offer, and I don't wish to appear rude, but if myself and H had wanted to be joined by a dribbling moron, we would have arranged this before ppf was banned :thumbsup:
You forgot to ask Potty for a 'thumbs up'!
 


A1X

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What, like Italy? (68 Governments in 76 years)

BTW, I'd like to get rid of FFTP - Blair had the chance, but why would any Govt. with a huge majority get rid of a system that's got them elected?

Some form of PR is needed, but it has to be carefully thougt out - and it will never happen unless we see a hung Parliment with Lib Dems holding the balance of power.
Responding to a call for something and citing the worst possible example of it as an attempt to denigrate the idea is really weird.

Like someone saying “we should sign a Premier League striker” and someone replying to that with “what, like Chuba Akpom?”
 
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nicko31

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Talking about fixing the U.K. without mentioning rejoining the EU is like talking about putting out a forest fire and not mentioning water

We need to rejoin to survive. Simple as that.

The leader who takes us back into full EU membership will be hailed as the leader who saved the U.K.

Until someone has the balls to take us back in, we have zero hope of ever being a legitimate power in the world.


No vote. No referendum. Just someone with a spine who says “we’re going back in because it’s the right thing to do”.
I find it incredible not even the Lib Dems are proposing to rejoin the customs union. Its low hanging fruit
 


Weststander

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I find it incredible not even the Lib Dems are proposing to rejoin the customs union. Its low hanging fruit

Genuinely, I thought they should’ve and would’ve by now have been an all out EU re-entry party. Seems a winner eg in west London constituencies, several southern towns and cities.

My guess is that they don’t want to upset the electorate in the Brexit and LibDems heartland of Cornwall, Devon, Dorset and Somerset.
 


Pavilionaire

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I think the Lib Dems are right to keep schtum on Rejoin. Certain things need time to play out and this is one of them. But make no mistake, being part of Europe is in Lib Dem DNA and in the longer term they will be aiming for EFTA status at the very least.
 




Weststander

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I think the Lib Dems are right to keep schtum on Rejoin. Certain things need time to play out and this is one of them. But make no mistake, being part of Europe is in Lib Dem DNA and in the longer term they will be aiming for EFTA status at the very least.

Geuinely, what’s the one of them? Did I miss an EU related thing in recent posts?
 


A1X

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I think the Lib Dems are right to keep schtum on Rejoin. Certain things need time to play out and this is one of them. But make no mistake, being part of Europe is in Lib Dem DNA and in the longer term they will be aiming for EFTA status at the very least.
Agreed. The 2024 General Election will be remarkable for how little Brexit comes up, and that suits all of the main parties. The Tories want to move on and hope nobody links the problems we face back to it. Labour wants to keep quiet to avoid alienating the returning voters from 2019. The Lib Dems, as said, want to take Tory seats in the south west where a lot of the voters went for Brexit.

Post-2024, different ball game.
 
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