[Politics] Brexit

[Randy McNob]

Taking back control update....

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[nicko31]

To be fair the pre-referendum marketing for Brexit was very clear that "no one is even talking about leaving the single market".

Even Farage couldn't get enough of waxing lyrical about Norway's status outside the EU and it's relationship with the EU.

Gove talked glowingly of a free trade area between Iceland and the border of Russia which we would be part of.

So... yes the above was the Brexit on offer, subsequently betrayed.

No one in the Leave camp wanted to discuss leaving the SM as they knew telling the truth would lose votes. Instead it was all about Unicorns and sunny uplands (just look back at some of the posts on here from 2016 seeing people actually believe what they were told)

Maybe we could celebrate 5 years with just one "significant" tangible benefit

 

[nicko31]

Taking back control update....

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Raab is such a dick. We're in the implementation period, its over, the treaty is signed. Johnson's oven ready deal is cooked, time for the feast

 

[WATFORD zero]

Extra Brexit agreement to resolve Northern Ireland issue is ‘direction of travel’, says Irish Taoiseach. Joe Biden clears the way for veterinary or ‘SPS’ agreement

An additional Brexit agreement to reduce checks on food and animals moving between the UK and EU should be the "direction of travel" in resolving the Northern Ireland issue, the Taoiseach has said. The EU has said it is open to a Swiss-style veterinary agreement, which would align the UK to EU rules on food, plant and environmental standards.

This would remove inspections for food being moved into Northern Ireland and reduce bureaucracy for trade across the Irish Sea and see the EU ease controls. But Boris Johnson has preciously said such "dynamic alignment" would not be compatible with his vision of Brexit and there are concerns in Whitehall that closely aligning to EU rules could limit the the UK's ability to do trade deal with other countries like the US.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-northern-ireland-vet-sps-joe-biden-b1864192.html

'Taking Back Control' by aligning ourselves with EU rules that we now have no control or influence over ('vassal state' anyone ?). Something or someone has definitely 'got done' by Johnson and his crew and it certainly isn't Brexit, not by a good few years yet

But who could have possibly have foreseen us having so many problems with our 'good deal' ? Well, according to the poll at the top of this thread 600 NSC posters for starters

Maybe someone has an alternative suggestion, because I'm sure they wouldn't want to display their complete ignorance of the situation my making a fool of themselves with some idiotic post completely unrelated. Not at a time when our country really needs a solution to this important and pressing issue before the end of June, when the Brexit agreement procedures Britain unilaterally delayed are due to come back in

 

[KeegansHairPiece]

I think everyone realises that the best way to forge ahead with future trade deals is to demonstrate your integrity and trustworthiness in standing by treaties you sign on the global stage.

 

[Randy McNob]

Here's a prominent Brexiteer who told you we should take back control, taking back control....

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[vegster]

I think everyone realises that the best way to forge ahead with future trade deals is to demonstrate your integrity and trustworthiness in standing by treaties you sign on the global stage.

Not everyone, Johnson is playing to the ERG and assorted loons that want to pretend that we can do what we like ' now we are a sovereign nation " post Brexit.


Edit : Just seen this which rather sums the situation up..."‘Mistrusted’ Johnson feels full force of EU fury as Brexit wrecks G7 summit
European leaders made their feelings about the Northern Ireland protocol known to a PM desperate to score a PR victory "

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/13/mistrusted-johnson-feels-full-force-of-eu-fury-as-brexit-wrecks-g7-summit

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

I see that Uncle Joe is not happy that we still have no suggestions for an 'alternative' to the Northern Ireland Protocol that was so well researched, proposed, negotiated, agreed and supported by the Brexit Government and it's supporters, before they did their U-Turn and claimed they didn't understand what they were doing and are now incapable of implementing it

Boris Johnson, prime minister

What he said then: “It ensures for those living and working alongside the border that there will be no visible or practical changes to their lives: they can carry on as before.”

What he says now: “If it looks as though the EU is going to be very dogmatic about it and we continue to [be in an] absurd situation so you can’t bring in rose bushes with British soil into Northern Ireland, you can’t bring British sausages into Northern Ireland, then frankly I’m going to, we’ll have to take further steps.”

Iain Duncan Smith, former Tory leader

What he said then: “If there is anything about this arrangement [the withdrawal agreement bill] that we have not now debated, thrashed to death, I would love to know what it is.”

What he says now: “The reality is that the protocol is simply not working. These are not teething problems. We have already seen companies that normally ship to Northern Ireland now saying publicly that they will not bother to do so any more if it is too difficult. We are also seeing diversion: some supermarkets and others are talking about depots in southern Ireland rather than in mainland GB.”

Ranil Jayawardena, trade minister

What he said then: “We will be an independent United Kingdom – and this is a fundamental point – because, unlike the last withdrawal agreement, this deal will mean that Northern Ireland will remain in the UK’s customs territory, so it will not be for foreign powers to decide the future of any part of our country. This new deal that Boris has achieved – against all the odds – will bring an end to the uncertainty and division.”

What he says now: “It is wrong that anyone should be threatening the British sausage. We will stand up for the British sausage and no one will ever be able to destroy it.”

If only someone had highlighted the issue 5 years ago, then the whole of the Brexit gang would have had time to put their collective minds together and come up with a workable solution
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Still, what is done is done. We now need to unite and move the country forward and I'm sure someone on NSC is capable of suggesting an alternative, rather than just making a fool of themselves with some idiotic post

My son-in-law works for HMRC and is heavily involved in stuff around VAT on imports and exports, which is not directly EU/Brexit stuff, but his comments over the last few weeks and months seem to indicate that the politicians never really had much idea about how to sort it out - quelle surprise!

They just come up with something they say is a workable solution to kick it in to the long grass, sign something that hasn’t got a Hope in hell of working, then blame the other side for being intransigent.

 

[vegster]

Some very valid points here, get under yer rocks Brexiteers, incoming hard truths !

" Why don't Brexiteers like to talk about Brexit any more?"

" Weatherspoon’s boss Tim Martin inevitably attracted heaps of scorn when recently bemoaning staff shortages for his pubs, and demanding the government allow more EU migrants to fill the gap. But at least he was prepared to face that scorn to point out an unfortunate if inevitable consequence of the Brexit he had helped to bring about.

Most of his fellow Brexit warriors have preferred instead to run for the hills. The new Brexit battle cry seems to be: ‘Don’t mention the war, in case anyone remembers that we were the people who started it …’

David Davis, Iain Duncan Smith and Liam Fox have morphed from being Brexit experts to become Covid experts, if by ‘expert’ we mean that they are regularly invited onto flagship BBC programmes to give their view, without ever being asked why they got so much wrong in their previous field of expertise.

On the rare occasion they do face a question about the B-word, Davis chuckles, IDS coughs, Fox sighs, and all three complain that, sadly, the Europeans have created the wrong sort of Brexit. Taking Back Control is all very well, but not if it means forfeiting the ability to blame the EU when it turns out we have lost more than we gained in doing so.

‘The wrong sort of Brexit’ is a line of defence now adopted by none other than David Frost, the government’s chief Brexit negotiator, who stood so proudly and so smugly behind Boris Johnson as the prime minister signed an agreement he had almost certainly never read, and who now laments the deal-clinching Northern Ireland Protocol of which he was once so proud and so smug. "

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/brexit-news/why-brexit-champions-so-quiet-8031418

 

[birthofanorange]

Some very valid points here, get under yer rocks Brexiteers, incoming hard truths !

" Why don't Brexiteers like to talk about Brexit any more?"

" Weatherspoon’s boss Tim Martin inevitably attracted heaps of scorn when recently bemoaning staff shortages for his pubs, and demanding the government allow more EU migrants to fill the gap. But at least he was prepared to face that scorn to point out an unfortunate if inevitable consequence of the Brexit he had helped to bring about.

Most of his fellow Brexit warriors have preferred instead to run for the hills. The new Brexit battle cry seems to be: ‘Don’t mention the war, in case anyone remembers that we were the people who started it …’

David Davis, Iain Duncan Smith and Liam Fox have morphed from being Brexit experts to become Covid experts, if by ‘expert’ we mean that they are regularly invited onto flagship BBC programmes to give their view, without ever being asked why they got so much wrong in their previous field of expertise.

On the rare occasion they do face a question about the B-word, Davis chuckles, IDS coughs, Fox sighs, and all three complain that, sadly, the Europeans have created the wrong sort of Brexit. Taking Back Control is all very well, but not if it means forfeiting the ability to blame the EU when it turns out we have lost more than we gained in doing so.

‘The wrong sort of Brexit’ is a line of defence now adopted by none other than David Frost, the government’s chief Brexit negotiator, who stood so proudly and so smugly behind Boris Johnson as the prime minister signed an agreement he had almost certainly never read, and who now laments the deal-clinching Northern Ireland Protocol of which he was once so proud and so smug. "

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/brexit-news/why-brexit-champions-so-quiet-8031418

The Brexiteers with a modicum of intelligence have disappeared, presumably due to the obvious nature of the ongoing almighty cock up.
The few 'remaining' ones are barely able to tie their own shoelaces.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

The Brexiteers with a modicum of intelligence have disappeared, presumably due to the obvious nature of the ongoing almighty cock up.
The few 'remaining' ones are barely able to tie their own shoelaces.

And THAT is why they wear slip-ons !

 

[nicko31]

So Bojo put the whole country at risk to sign a small trade deal with India.

Tonight we count the cost of his inaction. All roads back to a desperate Brexit that has delivered next to nothing

Resign man, just go....

 

[WATFORD zero]

Just popped in to see if any of the 246 who voted for Brexit on the poll at the top of this thread has come up with a solution to The Northern Ireland Protocol yet ? I notice a lot of them are still very active elsewhere on NSC, but nothing on here

Oh well, no hurry, they've only had 5 years to consider it

 

[nicko31]

Just popped in to see if any of the 246 who voted for Brexit on the poll at the top of this thread has come up with a solution to The Northern Ireland Protocol yet ? I notice a lot of them are still very active elsewhere on NSC, but nothing on here

Oh well, no hurry, they've only had 5 years to consider it

Wacky article in the Telegraph, that paper is just nuts these days

Some chose to not bother to read Johnson’s Brexit deal until now

Remember, Johnson won an election based on this deal which explicitly separated NI from rest of UK for customs. Who would have thought it?

 

[Randy McNob]

 

[Thunder Bolt]

The transport and logistics area is really struggling now as they are 650,000 HGV drivers short of what is needed. EU drivers have left these shores, and wages aren’t high enough to qualify under the new immigration laws.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Trade deal with Australia agreed
Regards
DF

 

[Randy McNob]

Trade deal with Australia agreed ����
Regards
DF

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[Baker lite]

Trade deal with Australia agreed [emoji636]
Regards
DF

Shushy shushy
There’s no place for positive news here..

 

[WATFORD zero]

Shushy shushy
There’s no place for positive news here..

Maybe you or your friend Ppf could point out the positives of allowing Australian farmers to ship their products halfway round the world so they can enjoy tariff free access to UK markets, not having to adhere to the same safety, additives, medicinal, animal welfare etc etc standards that British farmers do, therefor undercutting and putting British farmers out of business, all so that Liz Truss can claim to have 'done a deal'

I'm struggling as to which part of that is positive, maybe you could explain.

I think that asking you to contribute to a solution for the NIP (the actual subject of the last two pages of this thread) maybe a little bit too much of a step up for you in one go, so maybe you could point out the positives of this first