[Politics] Brexit

[A1X]

Thankfully not something we need to worry about.

Quite probably not but that doesn't change the fundamental point, that JC Footy Genius can't claim the Lib Dem policy is undemocratic when to enact it they have to win an election. It suggests he either (a) doesn't understand what democracy actually is and how it works or (b) does understand democracy but doesn't like it or acknowledge it when it produces a result he doesn't like.

I won't speculate as to which is the correct answer.

 

[Is it PotG?]

Quite probably not but that doesn't change the fundamental point, that JC Footy Genius can't claim the Lib Dem policy is undemocratic when to enact it they have to win an election. It suggests he either (a) doesn't understand what democracy actually is and how it works or (b) does understand democracy but doesn't like it or acknowledge it when it produces a result he doesn't like.

I won't speculate as to which is the correct answer.

The gravitas of their suggestion will, no doubt, be reflected in their vote share.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Yes, the Lib Dems have decided to break with the fundamental democratic principle of respecting and enacting democratic results ... instead, they will ignore any democratic outcome/mandate they don't like and call for endless votes until they get the result they want.

You know this already, but referendums in the UK are advisory only & carry no more clout than an opinion poll.

If the LibDems win a general election they have a fresh mandate which is mandatory by definition, as democracy doesn’t stand still.

 

[A1X]

The gravitas of their suggestion will, no doubt, be reflected in their vote share.

It's a decision they've made and has no more or less merit than any other party arriving at a policy decision. However my issue with JC is that he chooses to specifically attack this one and not others, many would argue that a No Deal as pushed by the Brexit Party lacks just as much legitimacy as the Lib Dems by the same logic as he uses.

 

[Lever]

But to do this they would have had to win an election on a manifesto which pledged to do this. How can winning an election be undemocratic?

There is no way you can browbeat him with logic and facts.......

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

You know this already, but referendums in the UK are advisory only & carry no more clout than an opinion poll.

If the LibDems win a general election they have a fresh mandate which is mandatory by definition, as democracy doesn’t stand still.

It will be your decision to leave or remain ,no second referendum no pressure groups ,give it a rest and accept the referendum result, people like you just love dragging your feet
Regards
DF

 

[ManOfSussex]

References in Hansard to frictionless trade....

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What happened to that Brexit Unicorn

What happened to the magical technology solutions?

If I recall correctly, it's gone like this: Invisible borders = Frictionless borders = Frictionless as possible borders = Operation Brock and customs posts in Ireland.

Would have gotten away with too if those pesky German car manufacturers had 'within minutes of a vote for Brexit knocked down Chancellor Merkel’s door demanding access to the British market' like they were supposed to.

 

[Is it PotG?]

If I recall correctly, it's gone like this: Invisible borders = Frictionless borders = Frictionless as possible borders = Operation Brock and customs posts in Ireland.

Would have gotten away with too if those pesky German car manufacturers had 'within minutes of a vote for Brexit knocked down Chancellor Merkel’s door demanding access to the British market' like they were supposed to.


Looks like the man from Del Monte nicking a tached Merkel.

 

[nicko31]

It will be your decision to leave or remain ,no second referendum no pressure groups ,give it a rest and accept the referendum result, people like you just love dragging your feet
Regards
DF

Mate democracy didn't just die in June 2016, it continues (albeit with some hindrance from the Tory right), almost 4 years ago now, time moves on pal...

 

[Is it PotG?]

Mate democracy didn't just die in June 2016, it continues (albeit with some hindrance from the Tory right), almost 4 years ago now, time moves on pal...

So why hasn't the result of the democratic referendum been adhered to? Until that happens, we're on hold, aren't we?

 

[nicko31]

If I recall correctly, it's gone like this: Invisible borders = Frictionless borders = Frictionless as possible borders = Operation Brock and customs posts in Ireland.

Would have gotten away with too if those pesky German car manufacturers had 'within minutes of a vote for Brexit knocked down Chancellor Merkel’s door demanding access to the British market' like they were supposed to.

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Problem is Brexiters whole approach has been based on feelings and emotions, they think facts and reality don't count, but ultimately they do...

 

[nicko31]

It's a decision they've made and has no more or less merit than any other party arriving at a policy decision. However my issue with JC is that he chooses to specifically attack this one and not others, many would argue that a No Deal as pushed by the Brexit Party lacks just as much legitimacy as the Lib Dems by the same logic as he uses.

No deal right now has about as much legitimacy and the Lib Dems revoking right now (without an election), they both have no mandate at present.

If we vote in the majority LD government we vote for revoke and reform, if we vote in a Tory majority government we vote for a no idea, no deal Brexit

 

[WATFORD zero]

You clowns still haven't figured it out yet!Wonder who has got the sack for leaking that bit of fake news about customs posts?Another vacancy in the Uncivil Service!

You comic timing is impeccable. Completely unintended, but hilarious all the same

 

[WATFORD zero]

It will be your decision to leave or remain ,no second referendum no pressure groups ,give it a rest and accept the referendum result, people like you just love dragging your feet
Regards
DF

I'm most disappointed you haven't managed to work 'surrender bill' into your posts after all the effort Johnson has put into Cummings latest soundbite for the naive and hard of thinking. I would have thought you would have been the first to swallow it and been regurgitating it by now

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Yes, the Lib Dems have decided to break with the fundamental democratic principle of respecting and enacting democratic results ... instead, they will ignore any democratic outcome/mandate they don't like and call for endless votes until they get the result they want.

... as the Conservative Party will endlessly campaign for socialist interventions to be reversed. I don't object to that, providing they use democratic means. Do you?

One difference between the present Conservative Party and the LibDems is that the former is prepared to act unlawfully in order to keep on the table an outcome that was specifically discounted during the referendum.

 

[pb21]

So why hasn't the result of the democratic referendum been adhered to? Until that happens, we're on hold, aren't we?

The result of the referendum was not to leave the EU by a certain date. We are still leaving the EU, therefore the refurendum result is being adhered to.

In addition, we are still in the EU because one single Tory Brexit plan was not voted for, on the basis it didn't satisfy opposition parties Brexit requirements and no deal is not wanted on the basis of common sense.

Put an appropriate deal in front of Parliament and we will leave.

 

[BensGrandad]

Still people saying about a No Deal Brexit hasnt Boris said that he will put a proposal to the EU very shortly which he is hopeful that they will accept so he hasnt ruled out a deal yet.

ps to answer the above post a deal was never mentioned in the referendum just remain or leave.

 

[birthofanorange]

Still people saying about a No Deal Brexit hasnt Boris said that he will put a proposal to the EU very shortly which he is hopeful that they will accept so he hasnt ruled out a deal yet.

ps to answer the above post a deal was never mentioned in the referendum just remain or leave.

You mean it wasn't on the ballot paper ? It was certainly mentioned a great deal during the Leave campaign.

But then, you already know that, and are just being daft. For a change.

 

[BensGrandad]

people based their vote as per the ballot paper not on TV or press interviews I wouldnt have thought.

 

[El Presidente]

Still people saying about a No Deal Brexit hasnt Boris said that he will put a proposal to the EU very shortly which he is hopeful that they will accept so he hasnt ruled out a deal yet.

ps to answer the above post a deal was never mentioned in the referendum just remain or leave.

I agree with you BG. For some reason Johnson, Redwood, IDS and Mogg all voted against the arrangement negotiated by May which would have meant that we would no longer be in the EU today.