[Politics] Brexit

[A1X]

It's not a difficult concept to understand. I guess you are purposely choosing to be ignorant of the point.

It is important here to separate the facts from the politics.

On a factual point, A50 cannot be extended by one side without the agreement of the other. Both sides have to agree, else it doesn't change.
On a political point, the EU offering an extension puts the ball back in the court of UKG to either take it and negotiate, or reject it and shoulder the blame for No Deal.

 

[BBassic]

The hardliners and press were whinging that it hadn't been triggered yet. The opposition didn't want to be tarred with the "going against the will of the people" line and were led by someone who wanted Brexit to happen and so also voted for it.

Ah, thanks. Suspected it may have been something like that.

The "running headfirst off a cliff with scissors and no parachute whilst blindfolded and paralysed from the neck down" approach.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Stop shouting. It's 11am in the morning. Why are you so angry all the time?

I'm not angry Just waiting patiently
Regards
DX

 

[Mellotron]

I'm not angry Just waiting patiently
Regards
DX

Then stop shouting, as it makes you seem very angry.

What's DX?

 

[beorhthelm]

I reckon the EU gambit may be to offer a longer extension (to end of 2020) and also reopen negotiations on the WA. This would give Boris some wriggle room to say "we can still get a deal done" and also some rope to row back his 31st October line. It may anger a few of the hardliners but if the rest of Parliament "forces his hand" then it could give him the excuse he needs to ignore them. Ultimately a No Deal on 31st is more likely to see him kicked out of office than an extension to the end of 2020 for a reopened WA, and that is literally all he really cares about. He's not pro-Brexit anywhere near as much as he's pro-Boris.

pro-Boris indeed. that sounds a more likely scenario, if Parliament does their part. he painted himself in to a corner too much to simply U-turn, though he can spin others forcing him.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Your knowledge of the history of the EU is very limited. You offer opinions on things (CAP is an example) that you know little of.

Why don't you change your signature to 'LEAVE MEANS LEAVE' ? It would save you much time and resolve the DR question.

As I said nothing about the EU thanks anyway
Regards
DA

 

[Mellotron]

I reckon the EU gambit may be to offer a longer extension (to end of 2020) and also reopen negotiations on the WA. This would give Boris some wriggle room to say "we can still get a deal done" and also some rope to row back his 31st October line. It may anger a few of the hardliners but if the rest of Parliament "forces his hand" then it could give him the excuse he needs to ignore them. Ultimately a No Deal on 31st is more likely to see him kicked out of office than an extension to the end of 2020 for a reopened WA, and that is literally all he really cares about. He's not pro-Brexit anywhere near as much as he's pro-Boris.

Another extension has always looked the most likely bet.

As it did last time.

And the time before that.

 

[Fungus]

It's a classic of the genre, akin to "do gooder" or "vitrue signalling", of trying to make people sound bad because they believe in a good thing. I would question the motives of anyone who isn't "liberal", since the opposite (illiberal) is a pretty damned awful thing. In the same way that people rail against "do gooders", like somehow being a "do badder" is a thing to be proud of. Also, who really has a major problem with "virtue"?

See also "Champaign Socialist" - any lefty with a few bob for discretionary spending/

 

[The Clamp]

As I said nothing about the EU thanks anyway
Regards
DA

What does the DA stand for?

 

[A1X]

See also "Champaign Socialist" - any lefty with a few bob for discretionary spending/

My favourite comeback to that accusation (can't remember who it was from now) was "Yes I'm a champagne socialist, I believe in champagne for everyone".

 

[The Lemming Stomper]

What does the DA stand for?

Das Arseole

 

[Fungus]

I see, yes you are right.

The EU could just say "we are happy to extend for another 3/6 months etc. in order to avoid no deal, do you want this?".

I suspect Boris would spin it that he's forced the EU to back down, and that was his intention all along. Strong leadership. Doubt JRM or NF would be too happy, though

 

[Igzilla]

It remains to be seen if it is legal. That's why it is going to court, because nobody is above the law.

Prince Andrew is.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

I assume that your thumbing up of A1X's post show's finally that you've accepted the EU can't extend the deadline by themselves ?

 

[daveinplzen]

It was actually Watford zero answers who called the remain minority stupid.Try not to inhale the smoke if you can't cut back a bit.

You forgot to tell me about that Muslim SS people and their atrocities in France. Puy? Please go on...

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Prince Andrew is.

Whataboutery. Has he broken UK law? Has he been charged with appearing with a 17 yr old?

Don't bother answering because it is nothing to do with Brexit, and I haven't looked into the murky details of the press.

 

[Stat Brother]

Liberal elite is a funny term. It's got its own definition and wikipedia page. But if you search for 'Conservative elite' nothing comes up really. The top result is a story about the role of the conservative elite in helping Hitler rise to power. NOTE - I am not saying Conservatives in this country are Nazi's nor am I comparing them to the group of Germans mentioned above, before anyone gets their knickers in a twist.

I just find it interesting that there's seemingly no such thing as a 'Conservative elite', not that I can find on the first few pages of Google anyway.

Does this mean it doesn't exist? Or does it mean, as I suspect, that it's generally a given that the upper echelons of the Conservative parties are in and of themselves 'The Elite' ?

That'll be because as an insult 'Liberal Elite' is an oxymoron.
Whereas 'Conservative Elite' is a tautology.

 

[Fungus]

I assume that your thumbing up of A1X's post show's finally that you've accepted the EU can't extend the deadline by themselves ?

I think you've missed his point - he's not saying the EU can extend the deadline unilaterally. He's saying they can *offer* to do so. Then it's back in Boris's court, to accept or reject.

 

[A1X]

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[WATFORD zero]

Now, I hope nobody's been embarrassing themselves while I've been away

If that rumour turns out to be true it would be hilarious

On the one hand it would be funny, heads would explode, on the other I don't believe it at all.

As much as I think being in the EU is a good thing overall, we should, and currently are, able to unilaterally leave the EU when we want.

I agree completely.

But if that happened, it would be Johnson's decision alone. Nothing to do with the EU. Who could the Leavers blame for the complete clusterf*** then ?

All well and good except for one thing, the EU cannot unilaterally extend the exit date. It has to be agreed between the EU and the UK.

But if they offered an extension, then it would be Johnson's decision and his alone, to go 'no deal'. No one else for the Leavers to blame for the complete clusterf*** that would entail.

I see, yes you are right.

The EU could just say "we are happy to extend for another 3/6 months etc. in order to avoid no deal, do you want this?".

Then sometime after the all the above posts in comes the following

Oh dear …. you've not yet understood that currently, by UK law, we're leaving on the 31st October regardless. The EU can 'extend' the deadline as much as they like - it had now affect unless Parliament agrees to an extension.

After numerous posters try to explain the point of this with varying degrees of success, we finally get

I assume that your thumbing up of A1X's post show's finally that you've accepted the EU can't extend the deadline by themselves ?

Do you think that CLANG was the penny dropping ?

I'm off out again, try not to embarrass yourself again while I'm gone