[Politics] Brexit

[Dorset Seagull]

Because they feel it’s fair that people get a say on Brexit now that we have any clue what Brexit might actually be?

This is the whole problem with this sorry state of affairs. It seems most people didn’t understand the nuances of the first vote and things aren’t much clearer now if we had another vote. You just can’t let joe public make a decision on such a complicated subject.

The only sensible way forward is to withdraw back to the status quo and find a way of establishing the true benefits and disadvantages of EU membership for this nation having explored every possible avenue. This would include the future aspirations of the EU and not just the economic aspects.

I’m not sure who or how it should be done, but when it is a decision could be made based on the actual facts and not a load of supposition. That decision would be made by those who had studied the findings and not the general public.

Yes it would take several years but at least that would be less damaging than a leap into the unknown

 

[The Clamp]

Concern over food safety as US seeks greater access to UK markets

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ss-to-uk-food-markets-after-brexit-trade-deal

 

[Two Professors]

So, one last go on your specialist subject - pallets

Where are the UK going to get the pallets needed to meet the EU standards after a 'no deal' brexit, given that none of the pallets currently used for exporting (either to the EU or to third party countries) currently meet those standards ?

And what was your question on import duties on goods manufactured in Great Britain (there aren't any) or WTO ?

We will manufacture any pallets needed to any special requirements of any country,as we always have done.Only clerical staff,or logistically challenged people, don't realise this.Do try to keep up.
As for import duties on British goods,you raised this about Cheddar cheese contracts,saying Aldi wouldn't sign long term supplier contracts,without knowing the import duty.
As for WTO questions,you evade constantly when challenged about the drivel you post.Try answering Pastafarian,instead of slinging insults and snidey comments.

 

[Baldseagull]

His personal incompidence has cost us the tax payer billions I just did a quick toting up of his errors and the cost to resolve

Probation service roll out issues cost £3.3,000,000,000 to resolve
Seaborne contract £300,000
Rail strikes,timetables and franchises £600,000,000
Eurotunell £33,000,000

How he manages to stay as a front bench minister is quite incredible and must be made of Teflon what would it take for him to resign or for Mrs May to sack him

There will be a Grayling dividend if she sacks him, saving millions of pounds a week on stuff he would undoubtedly **** up if allowed to continue. Maybe we could spend it on the NHS?

 

[pastafarian]

There is a difference between imposing restrictions and ending free movement. In terms of the laws, Directive 2004/38/EC applies the rights of FoM however these can be manipulated to some degree at national level by their respective legislatures. For example, Germany has a rule that someone arriving under FoM can only stay for three months unless they are workers or self-employed persons in the host Member State or are seeking employment (for a certain length of time), are not in employment or are students or trainees and have sufficient resources and comprehensive health insurance cover, have the right of permanent residence (following legal residence of five years) or are Family members, regardless of their citizenship, accompanying or joining an EU citizen who satisfies these conditions also have the right of residence for more than three months.

We don't apply those restrictions in the UK, however would be able to do so unilaterally. What about that would be insufficient in

So you cant find the EU mechanism that permits us to remain in the EU and control our EU borders with permits to enter for those EU wanting to live and work here or be subject to quotas- why am i not surprised. I thought you said we could control our EU borders but didnt bother.

They are screaming it, you (and others) are refusing to listen, plus we have a press which is often hell-bent on No Deal, or at least Brexit, and aren't prepared to listen. "Project Fear" is, I believe, the dismissal of choice.

Apart from you, who is screaming that if our goods schedule is uncertified the UK cannot trade with anyone

Prior to both of those the individual constituent parts (be if the EEC or the nations joining in 2004) had their own which were rolled over. The UK does not have one because it has always been part of the EU's or EEC's.

Crikey you are all over the shop.
Why are you talking about "prior" to the EU?. The EU goods schedule from 1995 was not certified until 2010, the revised goods schedule from 2004 which included taking account of the expansion countries was not certified until dec 2016. Did all trade in and out of the EU stop during the years the EU schedule of goods was uncertified?

So he says it's not going to happen because he's sure other people will decide to make sure things happen? Forgive me if that doesn't exactly fill me with confidence. The world of December 2016 (when those quotes were made) is very different to what it is now. Trump, for example, is riding a coach & horses through the WTO and threatening it's very existence.

The World might be different but the WTO rules since 2016 have remained unchanged.
You stick to your belief that on march 29 in the event of no deal, when our goods schedule will not be certified that the United Kingdom will not be able to trade with anyone anywhere......why dont you give Gove a call and ask him what he is playing at when he was hinting at what applied tariffs we wont be using when we trade with the rest of the world in a no deal scenario......when our schedule will not be certified.

 

[Two Professors]

This is a surprising post: when I asked you recently, very politely and with no asides, to confirm your opinion that individual EU countries could sign bilateral trade deals with the UK you flew off into a fantastic rage, accused me of calling you a moron, and told me to sling my hook.

Telling you and the rest of the Euro-suckers to sling your hook hardly qualifies as a "fantastic rage".It is just how the majority in this country feel about you lot.I also posted about the recent Irish legislation on post-Brexit cross-border movement,but perhaps you were in a paddy,and didn't notice it.I also asked if the Irish government were passing this off as a uni-lateral deal,but to no response.So sling your hook.

 

[beorhthelm]

Because they feel it’s fair that people get a say on Brexit now that we have any clue what Brexit might actually be?

we've had 2.5 years hearing the public arent able to decide such matters for themselves. why are they now considered able to make the decision? let the MP take the decision and avoid further delay.

 

[The Clamp]

Telling you and the rest of the Euro-suckers to sling your hook hardly qualifies as a "fantastic rage".It is just how the majority in this country feel about you lot.I also posted about the recent Irish legislation on post-Brexit cross-border movement,but perhaps you were in a paddy,and didn't notice it.I also asked if the Irish government were passing this off as a uni-lateral deal,but to no response.So sling your hook.

Why do you come on this thread? It's full of "remoaners" and people who's opinions don't matter. You won. Why do you feel the need to come on here and continually justify Brexit to a bunch of people who are insignificant and who never answer your questions?

I mean, for someone who claims to be so sure Brexit is the right thing to do , you sure spend a lot of time on here trying to convince everyone.

Why bother? Why do it? It clearly makes you grouchy and emotional.

In fact that goes for any leave voter. Why bother coming on here? All it does is serve to get you all upset.

 

[pastafarian]

Interesting, just had a look at that and one of the first things I noted was this:



Quite prescient.

Then I saw this:



This WTO things sounds like a right pile of

I wouldnt worry chap about what tariff rates we might or might not set if there is a no deal scenario, or how these import rates that we choose to set can impact on the UK agricultural industries. Our submitted goods schedule will be uncertified as of march 29, pretty much zero chance of it being certified by then.........however, im now reliably informed that because of this the United Kingdom will not be able to trade with anyone anywhere anyway.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Telling you and the rest of the Euro-suckers to sling your hook hardly qualifies as a "fantastic rage".It is just how the majority in this country feel about you lot.I also posted about the recent Irish legislation on post-Brexit cross-border movement,but perhaps you were in a paddy,and didn't notice it.I also asked if the Irish government were passing this off as a uni-lateral deal,but to no response.So sling your hook.

Thanks for that. Appreciated.

 

[Triggaaar]

I agree. However, we argued about taking no deal off the table

That was a different discussion to the one you're having now

and you said it would be a foolish thing to do as it's a bargaining position with the EU, however now more than ever it looks like the exact opposite because that very scenario is also our weakness in our own Parliament. It's like having a gun on the table but the EU know there are no bullets in it.

I don't agree that it's the opposite, I simply think our government have made a mess of Brexit, so it doesn't matter whether it's on the table or not.

 

[Baker lite]

Concern over food safety as US seeks greater access to UK markets

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ss-to-uk-food-markets-after-brexit-trade-deal

No skin off My tired old sack, I’m pisceterean .






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[The Clamp]

No skin off My tired old sack, I’m pisceterean .






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Stop boring us.

 

[Blue3]

Concern over food safety as US seeks greater access to UK markets

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ss-to-uk-food-markets-after-brexit-trade-deal

For anyone who's been to the USA and eaten there standard fair not including good resturants or fresh sea food but most of it is really awful cheep huge portions of very poor quality only supporting the fear of this becoming our standards for the future is of real concern

 

[Stato]

No skin off My tired old sack, I’m pisceterean .






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Piscetereaned already? It's not even half four. You must drink like a fish.

 

[Stat Brother]

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[CHAPPERS]

The way Farage walks to camera at around the minute mark is just ****ing weird.

 

[Bold Seagull]

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Trust the people that lied during the campaigning, gained illegal funding, access to data etc.

The hypocrisy is nauseating. I'd love to be the one in the background ala Alan Partridge...."oi Farage you wanker"

 

[Stat Brother]

Trust the people that lied during the campaigning, gained illegal funding, access to data etc.

The hypocrisy is nauseating. I'd love to be the one in the background ala Alan Partridge...."oi Farage you wanker"

The replies are worth the entrance fee alone:-

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Although I can't be too dismissive.
When this popped up on my twitter timeline it did remind me I needed to grill some bacon to sling into tonights pasta bake.

 

[Baker lite]

Interesting.

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