[Politics] Brexit

[nicko31]

Switzerland is in Schengen and pays the EU to be so.



If the UK defaults to WTO rules (using copied-and-pasted versions of the EU’s tariffs in the short term), the EU would still have to maintain its side of the border. That would require check goods coming into Ireland from the UK.

That’s because the EU’s existence as a free trade area depends on its ability to demonstrate to the WTO that it can control its external borders properly.

https://www.channel4.com/news/factc...the-options-for-the-irish-border-after-brexit

Please stop it, we can't have facts on here. We just need to BELIEVE MORE and everything will change

 

[Bold Seagull]

1) what does that matter, do i have to coalesce around a single Brexit narrative? I have maintained a consistent view on the EU on this board pre Brexit, during the ref, and since. Just because i am one voice singing in the darkness does not make me wrong, Group think is dangerous.....ask Galileo. My side is grounded in socialism, i cam live with it that i am in a minority, it merely proves my eternal point about how many tories there are on here.......i include you in that lot obviously.

2) what is the problem in NI, it's the EU that need borders not us.......with the rising prices for food etc i would have thought Brexit was a good opportunity for ROI to maximise their commercial advantage over the poverty stricken north. Their entrenched position re backstop makes me wonder if they are not more worried with it working the other way. In any event the EU borders non EU switzerland and other countries without difficulties. Its only political point scoring and ego that is preventing a solution.

The EU has bilateral agreements with the likes of Switzerland, and with regard to the other Schengen area countries. The EU has hard borders with those not in Schengen or not having common visa / customs agreements. When you say 'without difficulties' - yeah, through striking 'deals'.

 

[beorhthelm]

hope we're not mixing up our free movement (Schengen) and free trade (customs union) again folks?

that point pasted from Channel 4 higlhlights why EU is insisting on a hard backstop, they dont want the awkward situation of telling the Irish to enforce border controls.

 

[ManOfSussex]

hope we're not mixing up our free movement (Schengen) and free trade (customs union) again folks?

that point pasted from Channel 4 higlhlights why EU is insisting on a hard backstop, they dont want the awkward situation of telling the Irish to enforce border controls.

That's the same backstop that The UK agreed and signed up to in 2017. The same backstop that Varadkar made his point by showing other EU leaders photos of dead HMRC and Revenue officials from the past to show why it was needed.

Always awkward having people die when it comes to a border.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Yet another Brexit success for the NHS!

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Well it seems the government have got windy. This was released before the Department of Health knew about it, and now they've been told to reverse it.

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Timed at 18.04 on this timeline before anyone says it was untrue to start with.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-47030804

 

[Publius Ovidius]

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I was watching the debate and couldn't believe what I was hearing.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Sorry, I got the wrong end of the stick. I'm glad it's worked out for her, as I've seen examples already of it not.

Please can you point me in the direction of people that have had problems. Are these long standing migrants?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I was watching the debate and couldn't believe what I was hearing.

Marie Antoinette lost her head for saying let them eat cake.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Please can you point me in the direction of people that have had problems. Are these long standing migrants?

I quoted it a few pages ago. An EU wife who went to register, and was refused because her employment status didn't show enough information for 2015. She has been in the same job since 2005 in Britain, paying tax and NI.
A glitch maybe, but the Home Office has got a terrible record.

 

[vegster]

Hmmm ..... which begs the question how Operation Stack effects the NHS ?? After all, it never has before. How EXACTLY does parking dozens, hundreds or even thousands of lorries on a motorway in anyway prevent the NHS from taking blood from donors ?

Logic would say that it is a variety of factors, the severity of which is unknown at the moment so they are taking precautions.


If there is a logjam of lorries it might be difficult for the specialist teams to reach the donation sites thus pissing off lots of donors who may say " stuff you " for future donations. Also local people may not wish to have to divert around traffic jams so give it a miss anyway, leaving a full donation team only collecting half the donations they could have got going to another site in Kent away from any possible snags.
Finally traffic jams and clogging might make it hard for the staff to get the donations away from the area to the nearest storage facilities thus rendering the donation unsafe if they can't get it refrigerated and tested within deadlines.

All common-sense really, why risk going somewhere you may not reach, for few if any donations when you could go 30 miles in the opposite direction and have a more successful session.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

I quoted it a few pages ago. An EU wife who went to register, and was refused because her employment status didn't show enough information for 2015. She has been in the same job since 2005 in Britain, paying tax and NI.
A glitch maybe, but the Home Office has got a terrible record.

That's an easy one to sort out. Should imagine the employers would have contacted the home office to complete the employment history.
Going to have be pretty extreme for the government to refuse settled status completely. If you have done the right things you have nothing to worry about.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

That's an easy one to sort out. Should imagine the employers would have contacted the home office to complete the employment history.
Going to have be pretty extreme for the government to refuse settled status completely. If you have done the right things you have nothing to worry about.

Many people finding it difficult because the site is for Android phones only. I'm sure it will all turn out right in the end eh? You have more faith than me.

 

[vegster]

Looks like the amendments are getting whittled away to leave us with just May's Deal or No Deal... I wonder what that is going to do to The Pound in the morning?

 

[Deleted member 2719]

Looks like the amendments are getting whittled away to leave us with just May's Deal or No Deal... I wonder what that is going to do to The Pound in the morning?

It's got to be No Deal then.

Cooper was never going win that IMO, she has more credibility than JC and Abbott put together, but that doesn't really say much.

 

[beorhthelm]

Looks like the amendments are getting whittled away to leave us with just May's Deal or No Deal... I wonder what that is going to do to The Pound in the morning?

dont have to wait for the morning, trading goes on all night. down a little, about -0.68%

 

[CHAPPERS]

Has the Business Secretary resigned yet? The EU aren't going to budge so he may as well

 

[ManOfSussex]

Looks like the amendments are getting whittled away to leave us with just May's Deal or No Deal... I wonder what that is going to do to The Pound in the morning?

May just lost the Spelman amendment by 8.

 

[vegster]

May just lost the Spelman amendment by 8.

Non - Binding though, May can, and will ignore that.

 

[portslade seagull]

Going well. All the spoiler amendment's seen off

 

[TomandJerry]

Commons in short, so far.

We totally reject May’s Deal
We reject No Deal
We reject the power to stop No Deal ourselves.

Now voting to give the PM a mandate to change a backstop she negotiated that has already been rejected by negotiation partners