Brief career? He was hugely appreciated during his 7 years at Bayern.
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Best Enlish player since Gazza?
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Brief career? He was hugely appreciated during his 7 years at Bayern.
stripeyshark
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I thought it was bizarre that Beckham was even in the list, so you can imagine my reaction when I saw the poll results
Are people on here even into football?
Best English player? Paul Scholes
Best player FOR England? Ashley Cole. By an absolute MILE.
Yes. This completely!
stripeyshark
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Pavilionaire
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What this thread highlights is the lack of GIFTED players we've had since Gazza.
People talk about Jack Wilshere like he's some sort of world class player, but right now he's incredibly overrated. The likes of Steven Gerrard and Bryan Robson were already far better players at Wilshere's age, and I fear the lad will be blighted by injury.
I feel Beckham probably maximised his ability as did Lampard, but Rooney and Scholes have definitely under-achieved on the international stage. As for Ashley Cole, an individually good player without the presence of a Maldini or Roberto Carlos to make that telling difference.
People talk about Jack Wilshere like he's some sort of world class player, but right now he's incredibly overrated. The likes of Steven Gerrard and Bryan Robson were already far better players at Wilshere's age, and I fear the lad will be blighted by injury.
I feel Beckham probably maximised his ability as did Lampard, but Rooney and Scholes have definitely under-achieved on the international stage. As for Ashley Cole, an individually good player without the presence of a Maldini or Roberto Carlos to make that telling difference.
Ceej
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Ashley Cole very rarely got/gets it wrong. And for so long. Not just for England but club too. Consistency allows players around you to play better so he's got to get massive credit for that too. Scholes obviously a genius at times but not enough of the time.
kevo
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- Mar 8, 2008
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I thought it was bizarre that Beckham was even in the list, so you can imagine my reaction when I saw the poll results
Are people on here even into football?
Are YOU into football?
Your comments are bizarre. Beckham came second in the FIFA WORLD Footballer of the Year award TWICE, as voted for by coaches and captains of international teams (although I'm sure, as Mellotron from North Stand Chat, you know better...).
Incidentally, the only other player in the poll to feature was Shrearer (3rd in 96).
danish seagull
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I think that Ross Barkley kiddy is going to be pretty decent!
Bring back Bryan wade!!
I wanna caravan for me ma
In terms of ability scholes wins by a country MILE
Baldseagull
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Lampard came second once as well.
Gary Lineker was 3rd in 91, which shows that even a tap in specialist can make it close if he scores enough tap ins. Coaches and captains of international teams would have included intelligent and thougtful people like Steve McClaren and John Terry in the past, neither ones opinion would sway me.
The years that Beckham came close were not World cup or European Cup years, so you have to wonder how much the worlds coaches and captains actually saw of him.
Bring back Bryan wade!!
I wanna caravan for me ma
Scholes did not underachieve on the international stage, he just chose to retire early, there's a huge difference.
Seagull on the wing
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It's all opinions about players in different positions....what is' most gifted'....who you loved to see play....if you picked goalscorer there is only one in my book...and was amazing to watch....nobody has mentiioned him but I put that down to age.......Ladies and Gentleman...I present the one and only.....Jimmy Peter Greaves....goalscorer extrodinaire... League 366 goals in 528 games. England...amazing 44 goals in 57 games.
Apart from the Brighton games when we played Spurs,Chelsea,West Ham....working in London, would go to a game just because he was playing.
Apart from the Brighton games when we played Spurs,Chelsea,West Ham....working in London, would go to a game just because he was playing.
banjo
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Heskey.
The question is since Gazza
Chris Waddle had a very successful period at Marseille. He came second in a European Player of the Year awards. I also think it is stretching it a bit to say Hargreaves was an Englishman abroad. He was very much a Canadian when he played for Bayern.
turienzo's lovechild
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yes, brief career....he's now 32 and retired a year ago...last played more than TWO games in a season in 07-08 (the same season that he last played for England)
very brief career
Seagull on the wing
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Was'nt answering the question....giving my opinion of the great Jimmy as an England player....if you want me to answer the question...they all had their merits....how do you grade a goalscorer to a midfield dynamo or a defender....if pressed I would say it would be hard to beat Scholes...
Cut short yes, but not brief my opinion.
turienzo's lovechild
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fair enough....i'd personally say 8 years is a brief career
Gritt23
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What a heinous crime!
Am I to assume you have distanced yourself from Gazza for his domestic violence, or does knocking the missus around not matter as much as retiring from International Football.