Benefits & workfare.

[Leekbrookgull]

I know Y he does not pay,because as a parent i am sick and tired off being asked to pay,safe in the knowledge those that don't still go on the trip !

 

[withdeanwombat]

Withdean,i fail to see to someone 'that is un-employable' you can't do anything. Major U/K firms employee 'disabled' employees and those employed as a rule work hard and can be fun to work with. I fail to see why someone living i/e on Whitehawk can't be told if you fail to turn up Monday morning at ? ? ? Then goodbye benefits.

Yes,yes.............then there's always a "but".

I'm afraid to admit that I worked with unemployed adults and with youth unemployed on many government schemes,trying to get people who were only in the room because they had been told "be there or pockets bare".Often it doesn't matter how good a cv you can construct,or how well you hone your interview technique,it just doesn't matter in places with ingrained unemployment which just brings ingrained unemployed.And I suspect there are better economists on here who would be able to explain the myth of full employment.

We may dream of less eligability in our society,where you cannot earn more by not working than taking a job,but this would be hard to impose because there will inevitably be exceptions (children,refugee,single parent,true disability) but layaboutism should not count.

I heard about Fabregas coming from somebody in the film industry who said the new Star Trek movie had been postponed so he wasn't needed as Mr Spock again yet.Hearsay,though.

 

[smalldino]

DWP - Report a benefit thief online form

Well hopefully David Cameron will be good to his word and hit benefit fraud hard as Labour never did. They give it all the bullshit that they halved benefit fraud but what they really did was make it harder for the councils to find it and if you dont find it then it aint there.Bunch of lying

 

[clippedgull]

I know Y he does not pay,because as a parent i am sick and tired off being asked to pay,safe in the knowledge those that don't still go on the trip !

'Y', are you on your mobile?

Parents that can afford to pay, should, those that can't should not have to.

Why should the kids suffer and have to miss out. Also don't forget you are subsidising the teachers trip as well.

 

[withdeanwombat]

P/S Withdean,please i don't want this to be a right wing thread. Thanks.

I trust you mean a different withdean to me.I'm not called the Karl Marx of Taunton for no reason.(No, nor any of those other Marx's either).Bit of a Wolfie Smith man,y'know?

 

[Deleted User X18H]

This has also ruffled feathers

34,000 Sussex people face eviction due to benefit cuts From The Argus)

 

[smalldino]

This has also ruffled feathers

34,000 Sussex people face eviction due to benefit cuts From The Argus)

iunderstand that but about 4 or 5 years ago Brighton council took part in a pilot schemecalled the Local Housing Allowance. Basically, your benefit was worked out on how many rooms you needed, ie. if you had 3 kids under 10 you needed a 3 bedroom house if you had 6 kids under 10 you needed a 6 bedroom house. All of these then had a set figure to it. A one bedroom property was (for example) £120 per week a 2 bedroom £160 all the way up to a 8 bedroom house entitled to £1000 per week. this was regardless of what there rent was. There were reports of families with 6 and 7 kids moving in to 2 and 3 bedroomed houses where there rent was £250 per week but they were still receiving £1000 per week and this was all above board and legal but it still took them a year to close that loophole.

Being on Benefits should help you out when you are struggling but a lot of people use it as a lifestyle choice.

 

[Norman Baker suck my lozenge]

What do we do with the benefit scroungers with a drug habit or a criminal record as they would be unsuitable for voluntary work ?

shoot the cvnts

 

[British Bulldog]

What do we do with the benefit scroungers with a drug habit or a criminal record as they would be unsuitable for voluntary work ?

Stick them in the army and send them to Afghanistan, A few months out there might make them think work aint so bad after all.

 

[User removed 4]

My next door neighbour has never worked in his life. He has an endless stream of LCD teles, x-boxes, wiis and other games consoles, foreign holidays, couple of cars, pets coming out of his ears (3 kids, 4 staffis, 2 cats, lizards, rabbits and guinnea pigs, snakes, parrot and fish), smoke like chimneys, always doing up their (council) house with new appliances, sofas etc,

And i'm getting a bit f***ed off with it.

every time i see him in the garden, it's to tell me what he's bought lately and how much he doesn't have to pay for the kids music lessons, school trips etc.

Has your neghbour got the initials PB ?

 

[sparkie]

Thing is, if you force them to do any work, you need to pay them a proper rate. £65 per week doesn't get you too many hours if you believe in a minimum wage, so how would it be funded?

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

The grown up perfectly healthy kiddies running up and down London Road all day long of a weekday certainly seem not to have a care in the world. Wouldn't do them any lasting harm to take them out of their comfort zone for a while and show them that TECHNICALLY that's not how the world works. Have them go round picking up dogshit or something to earn their benefits and maybe think about things a bit more, or even at all. Just let them know the state is not the mugs they assume they are.

 

[Whitterz]

Persons that are out of work for longer than 3 months, and have made no reasonable attempt to get back into work should be made to do X amount of hours voluntary work in the community every week. Should sort them out.

 

[Freddie Goodwin.]

I've had periods out of work, thankfully a long time ago, but i'll never forget how hard it was.

Having said that, when you are struggling to make ends meet from one dole cheque to another, you shouldn't be sprouting sprogs, drinking Special brew, smoking loads and having the latest laptop?iphone/computer console/designer clothes etc.

 

[1066gull]

who gives a f***

politicians never change

im a working civilian and if i earn less than people on benefits, im proud i actually EARNT MY MONEY

 

[Gully]

Stick them in the army and send them to Afghanistan, A few months out there might make them think work aint so bad after all.

Send them to the place where most of the drugs that feed their habit come from...yeah, excellent idea!

 

[Castello]

The idea of workfare has been floating around for at least thirty years that I know of, and raised by politicians of all parties on several occassions. Yet it has never been introduced.

Essentially this is for two reasons.

Firstly any scheme that had unemployed people doing work for their money socially useful or not would need to be administered by paid staff. People who were working would need equipment paid sufficient to cover travel lunch and work clothes in addition to the rate of benefit. You would also still need to administer benefits for those physically unable to work. This will inevitably be more costly than unemployment benefits.

Secondly unless you can find work that is not currently being done, something that is harder to do on any appreciable level than it sounds, you would be forcing people that are currently working out of work. thus creating more of the very people you are trying to force into work. This is somewhat self defeating.

Why else do you think that Thatcher never brought this concept in, She may have been mad enough to introduce a Poll Tax. Just not stupid enough to bring in workfare.

 

[The Great Cornholio]

Well hopefully David Cameron will be good to his word and hit benefit fraud hard as Labour never did. They give it all the bullshit that they halved benefit fraud but what they really did was make it harder for the councils to find it and if you dont find it then it aint there.Bunch of lying

This would be the David Cameron whose Government have just abolished the Audit Commission including the National Fraud Initiative that has identified £215 million of fraud, error and overpayment in 2008/09 alone? I wouldn't hold your breath unless you like suffocation.

 

[Simster]

This would be the David Cameron whose Government have just abolished the Audit Commission including the National Fraud Initiative that has identified £215 million of fraud, error and overpayment in 2008/09 alone? I wouldn't hold your breath unless you like suffocation.

Wise words. The Tories seem to appeal to people who think the whole world except them is on the scrounge, but the simple fact is that the benefit system is always under every bit as much strain under the Tories as it is under Labour.

I agree with you. I guarantee that in 5 years time, this government will have barely made a dent in neither the total benefit bill nor the way benefits are dished out.