Are we a racist society ?

[looney]

Above that I hear New Zealand isn't too bad (apart from the treatment of the Maori's). Sweden (until recently) and Denmark may equal and surpass us.

New Zealand has had race riots and a polynesian Crime wave.

Sweden has deteriorating race relations especially in Malmo with Muslims openly abusing Swedish women who dont "Dress Modestly".
It has also elected a rightist party for the first time in Donkies years as people are getting sick of being taken for granted.

Things have improved a bit in Denmark but they do have the tightest immigration policy in Europe and had a recent Demo where loacal residents hung pigs trotters from their houses near a square that was holding a muslim outdoor prayer meeting.

Most of this is gleened from rightwing blogs like jihadwatch and dhimmiswatch etc.

 

[blue'n'white]

Half the problem being that this country has, for far too long, flung open it's doors and welcomed everyone in regardless of what race colour or creed that they are.
This leads to a ghetto society - black people want to live near black people, Muslims with Muslims and so it goes on. This leads to a ghetto and the original indigenous peoples of that area move out and so more blacks/Jews/ Muslims/Turks/whatevers move in and pretty soon you have a bigger ghetto. Unfotunately from the point of view of integration most young Jamaican lads ain't interested - they are in general some of the laziest peoples I have ever come across. So you're lazy, so you're bored, so you hang around street corners and get into mischief as it's easier to steal someone's iPod than actually get off your butt and go and work to earn the money to pay for it. And the perosn who has had their iPod nicked can't "lose face" so they take action against the stealer and so it goes on. And these people now take the attitude that that ghetto is THEIR turf. A white work colleague who was visiting her Mum in Peckham recently was approached by three Jamaican lads and told to get out because she didn't belong ( I mean she'd only lived there 30 years !!).
I don't think that Britain is an inherently racist society though - it's just that we're battling against an underclass (whatever colour that that may be) with no respect for anyone else. I can see a time (and I don't think it'll be that long in coming) when there is going to be serious trouble and a complete breakdown of law and order in this country
It's not just lazy Jamaican youths though - I mean most council estates are no go areas these days - you only have to look at the amount of murders recently by gangs of yobboes who've been told not to kick cars or throw litter aroundi- it's just a complete breakdown of society which the police are vainly battling against.

 

[HampshireSeagulls]

BnW hits it towards the end - it's not necessarily race, it's an underclass with a culture which is alien to most of us. We are generally on here I should imagine pretty much middle class who work hard for what we have. The colour does not really matter - the colours blur. Look at the white boys who try too hard to be ghetto - they aren't ghetto, they are mimicing MTV and the crap they see on Sky - they want to be "gangsta" because it's cool. Cool for many of us has never been that violent - it's been arguably right clubs, right bars, right car - the trappings of wealth and accumulation of "things". The problem is not immigration, although that's an element - it's a society where they can see that they don't have to work for anything, and that includes whites.

Personal standards are frighteningly low amongst the underclass, and there seems to be no fear of the law, because the law has lost it's power. We don't need a death sentence, but we do need harsher sentences - and for those sentences to be properly enforced, and not enjoyed! Prison time should be hard, not relaxing. The police have one hand on their notebooks, and the other on their mobile calling the Police Federation for legal advice - and it shouldn't be that way.

Society can only fall so far before it has to take action - and that's when it gets dangerous - even for the law-abiding middle classes of the UK. If you can tell people that it's all the fault of x, or y, or z, then the media will get onboard and it snowballs - and the little extremist groups find a target. It needs to be stopped before that point, or you end up with riots (LA, Paris, London, Bradford, etc, etc) - and ultimately nothing really changes because it just lets people let off steam, government think tanks get set up, politicos wring their hands, and it all becomes memory rather than catalyst. It needs to be a societal change from the top - but can you see the underclass being told that they are losing benefits, are going to be targetted by the police, are going to be prosecuted properly, and that society will not tolerate them? They have moved from knives to guns already - do we routinely arm the police to give them the upper hand?

I can see why the police target the blacks - and that's why they have Op Trident because of the amount of young blacks with guns. They have other community teams that target specific groups - and if they find offences being committed in those communities, they have no choice but to act - but they need to act without the fear of lawyers crippling the cases.

No political party is offering a solution at the moment, and one of them needs to get on target before they are caught by surprise.