A world without America

[Raphael Meade]

Israel didn't kill thousands of civilians. That's a lie!

Hizbullah and the likes of him:

Use their population as human shields. Hizbullah fired his missiles from populated arreas and builted his bomb factories in populated arreas.

IDF Aerial Video of Qana which damn Hizbullah

Palestinians hiding explosive belts inside the Ambulance

no, its not a lie.
i've no idea what tv shows in israel, but i have a very good idea of what went on inside lebanon thanks.

 

[Man of Harveys]

I'm starting to smell a bit of rat here...no-one minds a good argument but...it's all looking a bit organised, IMHO.

 

[Raphael Meade]

haha.. quite!

nice little multimedia library on hand there!

 

[Buzzer]

A world without Israel? Is that necessarily a bad thing?

as opposed to another totalitarian military state where muslim men grow unnecessarily big moustaches?

Yeah, we need another one of those.

 

[Billy the Fish]

Why don't you go and discuss this on here:
http://www.kumb.com/forum/index.php

 

[Buba]

Ah. Whereabouts in Israel are you? I would love to visit Jerusalem one day.

I'm from Ramat Gan, I live 20 minutes walking from Ramat Gan Stadium, the stadium where the match against England will take place, BTW, England is gonna win in an advantage of 3-4 goals.

I put my word on that!

 

[Springal]

i wish, but no chance

 

[Simster]

f***ing looney's been in Buba's usual corner of cyberspace hasn't he.

I agree with MoH - Israel should exist but there massive firepower means they have no motive for meaningful negotiation.

Oh and Buba, kindly shit off with your anti-Palestinian rhetoric.

 

[Buba]

Oh and Buba, kindly shit off with your anti-Palestinian rhetoric.

You know why? Cause there's no such thing as "Palestine" (or is it that you wish to give parts of your land, let's say, the east side of England and Merseyside to your enemy which is a nation that doesn't exist - see below - just for them to fire missiles at your head?)

Simster, TAKE A VERY GOOD LOOK, at this first quote:

"Palestine" is the name that the Romans gave to the land of Israel when they conquered this land 2000 years ago and Wikipedia explains (Israel) :

It was during this time that the Romans gave the name Syria Palaestina to the geographic area, in an attempt to erase Jewish ties to the land. The Mishnah and Jerusalem Talmud, two of Judaism's most important religious texts, were composed in the region during this period. The Muslims conquered the land from the Byzantine Empire in 638 CE. The area was ruled by various Muslim states (interrupted by the rule of the Crusaders) before becoming part of the Ottoman Empire in 1517.

There was never in the history of the world a Palestinian nation.

There was never in the history of the world a Palestinian state.

There was never in the history of the world a Palestinian kingdom.

There were never in the history of the world Palestinian kings.

There was never in the history of the world a Palestinian capital.

There was never in the history of the world a Palestinian essence.

There was never in the history of the world a Palestinian heritage.

There was never in the history of the world a Palestinian culture.

The Palestinian are Arabs who were brought to the region by the Ottoman empire as part of the Muslim occupation in the region. They are definitely not the tribes from Crete who settled down in the 5 cities of Gaza strip. These tribes were called Filistins and they weren't Arabs at all and the nowadays "Palestinians" are definitely not their descendants. The Filistins don't exist as a nation nowadays.

There was an Israeli/Jewish state in the land of Israel 2000 years before the prophet of Islam dreamt that he's flying on a "magical horse" from Mecca to Jerusalem.

There was an Israeli/Jewish nation in the land of Israel.

There was an Israeli/Jewish kingdom in the land of Israel.

There was an Israeli/Jewish capital in the land of Israel.

There were Israeli/Jewish kings in the Israeli/Jewish kingdom of Israel.

There is an Israeli/Jewish culture and essence.

The words Jews and Israelis have the same meaning:

Jews are people of the tribe of Judah. The tribe of Judah was one of the 12 tribes of Israel. Israel was Jacob and Israel is the new name that G-d gave to him. Israel had 12 sons who later became the 12 tribes of Israel. These 12 tribes who were slaves in Egypt are the ones with which G-d made his covenant and gave them the Torah and its commandments, commanded them to settle down in the land of Israel - a land that he promised to Jacob hundreds years before - to conquer it and to establish a kingdom of priests.

In 722 B.C. the Assyrians conquered the north part of the Israeli kingdom and exilled 10 tribes (9 tribes plus parts of the Levi tribe who didn't have an estate of their own, parts of the tribe of Levi were scattered amongst all the other tribes) amongst the 12 tribes of the children of Israel and these 10 tribes lost their faith, became gentiles and assimilated with them.

The Jews nowadays worldwide and in Israel are the descendants of 3 tribes: Judah, Levi and Benjamin (and some of them from the tribe of Menashe). Judah was the biggest tribe which settled in the Judean desert, then the Romans who conquered the land of Israel 2000 years ago called all the children of Israel "Jews"

Zuheir Mohsen is widely known for having made the following statement in a March 1977 interview with the Dutch newspaper Trouw:

"The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct "Palestinian people" to oppose Zionism.

For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan."

Couple of facts about Israel that the haters of Israel don't like:

1. Israel became a state in 1312 B.C., two millennia before Islam.

2. Arab refugees from Israel began calling themselves "Palestinians" in 1967, two decades after (modern) Israeli statehood in 1948.

3. After conquering the land in 1272 B.C., Jews ruled it for a thousand years and maintained a continuous presence there for 3,300 years.

4. The only Arab rule following conquest in 633 B.C. lasted just 22 years.

5. For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem was the Jewish capital. It was never the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even under Jordanian rule, (East) Jerusalem was not made the capital, and no Arab leader came to visit it.

6. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in the bible, but not once is it mentioned in the Qur'an.

7. King David founded Jerusalem; Mohammed never set foot in it.

8. Jews pray facing Jerusalem; Muslims face Mecca. If they are between the two cities, Muslims pray facing Mecca, with their backs to Jerusalem.

9. In 1948, Arab leaders urged their people to leave, promising to cleanse the land of Jewish presence. 68% of them fled without ever setting eyes on an Israeli soldier.

10. Virtually the entire Jewish population of Muslim countries had to flee as the result of violence and pogroms.

11. Some 630,000 Arabs left Israel in 1948, while close to a million Jews were forced to leave the Muslim countries.

12. In spite of the vast territories at their disposal, Arab refugees were deliberately prevented from assimilating into their host countries. Of 100 million refugees following World War 2, they are the only group to have never integrated with their co-religionists. Most of the Jewish refugees from Europe and Arab lands were settled in Israel, a country no larger than New Jersey, USA.

13. There are 22 Muslim countries, not counting Palestine. There is only one Jewish state.

14. Fatah and Hamas constitutions still call for the destruction of Israel.
Israel ceded most of the west bank and all of Gaza to the Palestinian authority, and even provided it with arms.

15. During the Jordanian occupation, Jewish holy sites were vandalized and were off limits to Jews. Under Israeli rule, all Muslim and Christian holy sites are accessible to all faiths.

16. Out of 175 United Nations Security Council resolutions up to 1990, 97 were against Israel; out of 690 general assembly resolutions, 429 were against Israel.

17. The U.N. was silent when the Jordanians destroyed 58 synagogues in the old city of Jerusalem. It remained silent while Jordan systematically desecrated the ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives, and it remained silent when Jordan enforced apartheid laws preventing Jews from accessing the temple mount and western wall.

18. Arabs started all five wars against Israel, and lost every one of them.

http://bsimmons.wordpress.com/2006/07/30/israel-and-jerusalem-facts/

 

[Common as Mook]

What a f***ing plank. I could spend a day spouting pro-palestinian propaganda and pass it off as fact, but I'm not going to do that.

It's your OPINION. In my OPINION the world would would be better of without Israel.

 

[Common as Mook]

I thought the Arabs were the original settlers in Israel.

Oh, and you bypassed this quote.

 

[Buzzer]

f***ing looney's been in Buba's usual corner of cyberspace hasn't he.

I agree with MoH - Israel should exist but there massive firepower means they have no motive for meaningful negotiation.

Oh and Buba, kindly shit off with your anti-Palestinian rhetoric.

Why should he?

There's enough anti-Israeli bollocks on this thread alone to counter the charge of bias towards Israel. Good luck to Israel. The only state in the middle East coming anywhere close to democracy.

My brother had that Jenny Tonge in the back of his cab once, the suicide bomber supporting retard (her - not my brother you understand).

 

[Buba]

I would love to visit Jerusalem one day.

I forget to mention the fact that I would be happy to invite you to a beer or two.

 

[Buba]

Oh, and you bypassed this quote.

No I didn't, I related to this lie in my post about "Palestine" above.

 

[Man of Harveys]

I forget to mention the fact that I would be happy to invite you to a beer or two.

 

[Buzzer]

What a f***ing plank. I could spend a day spouting pro-palestinian propaganda ..........

Looks like you've already started:

A world without Israel? Is that necessarily a bad thing?

Tell you what. You try living under the threat of invasion from outside and terrorism from within on a daily basis and then you might realise the whole issue ain't so black and white.

 

[Buba]

Check out the Israel beer contest that was in Israel, here is the video, the man who won was learning how to make beer in England.

 

[Common as Mook]

Tell you what. You try living under the threat of invasion from outside and terrorism from within on a daily basis and then you might realise the whole issue ain't so black and white.

My family go through it most days living in the middle east so I think I'm fairly qualified to have an educated opinion on the subject, thank you very much.

 

[Billy the Fish]

Serious question, what was on the piece of land now known as Isreal, before it was re-claimed by the jews and americans?

 

[Buzzer]

My family go through it most days living in the middle east so I think I'm fairly qualified to have an educated opinion on the subject, thank you very much.

whereas Buba's just a plank with worthless opinions and he actually lives there. eh?