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beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
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relief for current crisis is a temporay issue. nationalisation means you buy back the infrastucture, then pay for maintaince, new investment. that all goes on the state's balance sheet, the govenment holds the debt. then they have to balance investment in new power production alongside new hospitals, or new roads, more wages for nurses or civil servants etc. if you dont like private ownership, fine, need to find a new way to sustain investment.
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Yep. I may have mentioned this earlier today. Mrs T had to leave the room. I had a bit of a sigh and an occasional titter.
Any phone in, any opportunity, the tiny number of campaigning loony leftists (and rightists) pile in, casting mischief around like bad confetti.
They'd disappeared for a long time, both from NSC and media interviews.
My theory on their reappearance this week is; a mixture of jealousy, 'what might've been' and arrogance.
They now see Starmer heading towards say 300 seats in England & Wales, they feel robbed that this could've been Momentum manifesto with them heading for Downing Street.
Arrogance because they fail to realise that conservative UK would've given them far, far fewer seats. That's despite Lockdowns/Boris/Putin/the latest mini budget. Starmer's Labour is far more palatable to Middle England.
The idea that the tories want small government because they don't believe in government, and can't be bothered to govern, is quite a clever notion.
We all know Johnson was lazy, but of course, it's their actual way, now. Small government. Do nothing. Stay behind the curve.
Time for some big government!
We all know Johnson was lazy, but of course, it's their actual way, now. Small government. Do nothing. Stay behind the curve.
Time for some big government!
Public ownership has its place. I agree it should be used sparingly, but national infrastructure where meaningful competition can’t be introduced without great expense or is simply physically unrealistic (see rail infrastructure. sewerage, energy distribution etc.) public ownership is the path to go down.
Certainly more efficient than a patchwork of private companies all taking money out for directors/shareholders, blaming each other for issues, and doing the most minimal necessary maintenance of the infrastructure they are supposed to be maintaining and modernising, safe in the knowledge that they will hand it back to the taxpayer once they’ve run it into the ground.
In Montana and Alaska they literally want to shoot people who call for that. 'Off-gridders' .... who use public services when it benefits them.
Yes. Something else - Starmer sounds like someone who will be immune from sniping from inside his tent.
And I don't think he's remotely bothered about those old lefties who may decide to snipe from outside the tent.
A confident leader not beholden to anyone. Crikey!
It’s still worth though if only to chip away at the Tory vote…. Look at Worthing in the local and Brighton a few years back when things started changing. If you live in Henley I’d take your point though.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
I worked in the industry for 25 years and was there when it privatised. Don't tell me how it works.
KZNSeagull
Well-known member
Decent speech. Now need the detail on how he is going to achieve all of this.
Machiavelli
Well-known member
I heard Powell -- saying it was about regime change -- and Straw saying it was about WMD in 45 minutes. I heard Blix, stating he hadn't found anything, and wanted more time for inspections. I heard Robin Cook. I've also seen the devastation it caused the Middle East ever since.
Despite all that, Blair remains the best PM I've witnessed. And, back on topic, SKS speech buoyant and bolder.
nicko31
Well-known member
Publicly owned green energy company, what's not to like? Remember the Tories sold off the green investment bank at the first opportunity, so short sighted....
Machiavelli
Well-known member
Agreed. You'll only reach the goal -- clean energy by 2030 (a welcome, bold mission) -- through a nationalised industry. To add to your points, he also indicated that the plan was to partner with business so -- until proved otherwise -- I'll assume the plan isn't for the state to do all of this.
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Thrifty non-licker
Bold Seagull
strong and stable with me, or...
Snooker obviously got a bit boring.
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Thrifty non-licker
Yup, used to be Labour.
Fully signed up to the Young Socialists in Brighton, many good evenings in The Basement.
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Thrifty non-licker
Bingham got stuffed, Chateau DIY now.