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Is Keir really credible?

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Nobby Cybergoat

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Blair should have been banged up years ago for War Crimes.
Biggest Liar since Pinocchio

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Well, that can be debated, but it stands that lots of people voted for him and if Keir can successfully project "a bit like Blair", he'll win an overall majority at the next election.
 






Lenny Rider

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Sep 15, 2010
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Well, that can be debated, but it stands that lots of people voted for him and if Keir can successfully project "a bit like Blair", he'll win an overall majority at the next election.

But will he then do a Blair/Brown and ultimately mess it all up?

But hopefully without an illegal war this time?
 


stewart12

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Jan 16, 2019
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Well, that can be debated, but it stands that lots of people voted for him and if Keir can successfully project "a bit like Blair", he'll win an overall majority at the next election.

yep, Blair strolled to 3 election wins....one of which was even after the Iraq war and the introduction of tuition fees
 






West Hoathly Seagull

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Aug 26, 2003
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Blair should have been banged up years ago for War Crimes.
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I don't know whether or not you're defending the Tories, but most Tories backed the Iraq war. The only two I remember actively opposing it were Malcolm Rifkind and Kenneth Clarke.
 


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yep, Blair strolled to 3 election wins....one of which was even after the Iraq war and the introduction of tuition fees

Yep. People forget that all the huffing and puffing about 'Tony B Liar' and the 'illegal war' emanated from agit-prop humanities students from the red brick 'universities, the extreme left, much of which never votes labour anyway (*cough* SWP *cough*), whipped up by other more obvious anti-labour types (such as, er, campaigning conservatives). The vast majority of the centre ground thought Blair was decent, and it was the poor, mad, gurning Brown that scuppered labour in the end.
 
















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I don't know whether or not you're defending the Tories, but most Tories backed the Iraq war. The only two I remember actively opposing it were Malcolm Rifkind and Kenneth Clarke.

Precisely.

I listened all afternoon to Colin Powell and Jack Straw explaining why action had to be taken in Iraq, with Blix spending ten years unable to check for WMD as Saddam pissed him about.

I didn't agree with the war but I agreed with the decision to stand by America and go to war, labour and conservative foresquare together, rather than Blair tell the Americans to piss off (which would have had the tories and the media crucify labour for betraying our allies and giving succour to terrorism).

The aftertiming following the revelation that the existence of WMDs was 'hyped' (i.e., invented - and needlessly so, Blair's only error) is as ludicrous as it is foolhardy. When the criticism comes from the left (as it mostly does) it does nothing more than undermine the support for labour (today) and help the conservatives. Which is exactly what the extreme left wants - the labour party destroyed so that a New Socialist Party can arise, with Corbyn at the helm (see posts passim by Jolly Green Giant, even in the last week!).

I am very much fed up with all this sneaky campaigning for the conservatives by the extreme left, in the hope that it will facilitate The Revolution. And I am disgusted by the way parts of the right seize upon it, in order to portray 'new' labour as bad (with Corbyn labour of course bad) and Starmer's labour bad for being both 'cosplay Blair' AND extremely left wing and Corbinny. It's time all these pillocks all just ****ed right off.
 


Kinky Gerbil

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Jul 16, 2003
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He’s sounding pretty good at the moment.

One of his problems against Johnson was he came over as a dull speaker when against him, not an issue anymore.
 






beorhthelm

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Jul 21, 2003
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interesting line just now, people asked for economic change in a referedum but saw no change. thats how you message it.
 


Is it PotG?

Thrifty non-licker
Feb 20, 2017
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i remeber Ppf saying the tory's have already won the next election with the 80 seat majority.

what do you make of it all, where did it all go so badly wrong?

It's 'Tories'.

COVID and Ukraine meant ridiculous spending levels, combine that with a worldwide energy crisis and the world is skint.

People always think the grass is always greener, Labour will get in before folk get fed up then another 3 or 4 terms under Tory rule. It's a cycle.

My big caveat in all this, when he gets in, the likes of McDonnell, McCluskey, Abbott and Long-Bailey will pop their heads up and demand a piece of the action.
 








Bold Seagull

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Mar 18, 2010
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It's 'Tories'.

COVID and Ukraine meant ridiculous spending levels, combine that with a worldwide energy crisis and the world is skint.

People always think the grass is always greener, Labour will get in before folk get fed up then another 3 or 4 terms under Tory rule. It's a cycle.

My big caveat in all this, when he gets in, the likes of McDonnell, McCluskey, Abbott and Long-Bailey will pop their heads up and demand a piece of the action.

So Covid, Ukraine, energy crisis are the excuses now, and yet the end of Labour in 2010 was 'fed up' rather than being blamed by a right wing press that convinced the public they caused a global financial crash? Who are we letting off the hook again...oh yeah the bankers...
 


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