Is Keir really credible?

Is it PotG? said:

It's 'Tories'.

COVID and Ukraine meant ridiculous spending levels, combine that with a worldwide energy crisis and the world is skint.

People always think the grass is always greener, Labour will get in before folk get fed up then another 3 or 4 terms under Tory rule. It's a cycle.

My big caveat in all this, when he gets in, the likes of McDonnell, McCluskey, Abbott and Long-Bailey will pop their heads up and demand a piece of the action.

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Bold Seagull said:

So Covid, Ukraine, energy crisis are the excuses now, and yet the end of Labour in 2010 was 'fed up' rather than being blamed by a right wing press that convinced the public they caused a global financial crash? Who are we letting off the hook again...oh yeah the bankers...

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Harry Wilson's tackle said:

Precisely.

I listened all afternoon to Colin Powell and Jack Straw explaining why action had to be taken in Iraq, with Blix spending ten years unable to check for WMD as Saddam pissed him about.

I didn't agree with the war but I agreed with the decision to stand by America and go to war, labour and conservative foresquare together, rather than Blair tell the Americans to piss off (which would have had the tories and the media crucify labour for betraying our allies and giving succour to terrorism).

The aftertiming following the revelation that the existence of WMDs was 'hyped' (i.e., invented - and needlessly so, Blair's only error) is as ludicrous as it is foolhardy. When the criticism comes from the left (as it mostly does) it does nothing more than undermine the support for labour (today) and help the conservatives. Which is exactly what the extreme left wants - the labour party destroyed so that a New Socialist Party can arise, with Corbyn at the helm (see posts passim by Jolly Green Giant, even in the last week!).

I am very much fed up with all this sneaky campaigning for the conservatives by the extreme left, in the hope that it will facilitate The Revolution. And I am disgusted by the way parts of the right seize upon it, in order to portray 'new' labour as bad (with Corbyn labour of course bad) and Starmer's labour bad for being both 'cosplay Blair' AND extremely left wing and Corbinny. It's time all these pillocks all just ****ed right off.

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rogersix said:

yeah, i know, so i changed it.

so bungle missed mutiple churchillian moments, he was incompetent, entirely unsuitable for office.

that's not what caveat means

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Is it PotG? said:

What did I say it meant? It was a warning.

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rogersix said:

so after all that corruption, you're still going to vote truss?

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Is it PotG? said:

Why?

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Harry Wilson's tackle said:

Precisely.

I listened all afternoon to Colin Powell and Jack Straw explaining why action had to be taken in Iraq, with Blix spending ten years unable to check for WMD as Saddam pissed him about.

I didn't agree with the war but I agreed with the decision to stand by America and go to war, labour and conservative foresquare together, rather than Blair tell the Americans to piss off (which would have had the tories and the media crucify labour for betraying our allies and giving succour to terrorism).

The aftertiming following the revelation that the existence of WMDs was 'hyped' (i.e., invented - and needlessly so, Blair's only error) is as ludicrous as it is foolhardy. When the criticism comes from the left (as it mostly does) it does nothing more than undermine the support for labour (today) and help the conservatives. Which is exactly what the extreme left wants - the labour party destroyed so that a New Socialist Party can arise, with Corbyn at the helm (see posts passim by Jolly Green Giant, even in the last week!).

I am very much fed up with all this sneaky campaigning for the conservatives by the extreme left, in the hope that it will facilitate The Revolution. And I am disgusted by the way parts of the right seize upon it, in order to portray 'new' labour as bad (with Corbyn labour of course bad) and Starmer's labour bad for being both 'cosplay Blair' AND extremely left wing and Corbinny. It's time all these pillocks all just ****ed right off.

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Questions said:

Blix was hampered no doubt. But he never found anything and stated he felt it unlikely there was any WMD.
I re-write of history now you and others feel the guilt in supporting the vicious war.

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Is it PotG? said:

Have NEVER voted Tory in my life, never will.

I live in a massive Tory majority, so I don't bother.

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Weststander said:

Did you listen to the first hour of Nicky Campbell's phone in today, there were a few Corbynistas slagging Starmer and his ilk off?

One from Scotland said there they're not called "Tory Light", instead "Red Tories". I had a suspicion he was SNP, but he didn't offer that.

The others said stuff like Starmer had copied Corbyn's manifesto, others that they couldn't possibly accept things until Corbyn had the whip back.

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rogersix said:

wha......? so you moved to a tory stronghold, knowing that you would never have to bother to vote?

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beorhthelm said:

he's got them on their feet with publically owned Great British Energy, overlooking the debt burden building all the infrastructure promised. need to move on from public ownership to a more advanced model.

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Is it PotG? said:

When we moved house, the politics were the last thing on my mind.

We moved for the usual reasons.

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