[Football] Harry Kane

Pierre the Painter said:

Breaking news on Sky, according to their sources Kane will return to Tottingham training towards the end of the week. Make of that what you will but the saga rumbles on.

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TomandJerry said:

Kane informed Spurs before the end of last season that he wanted a move and he believes he has a gentleman’s agreement that allows him to go this summer. The Tottenham chairman, Daniel Levy, sees things differently and does not want to sell.

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Motogull said:

Sounds like a Dibley and Beaky situation to me.

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vagabond said:

Will be interesting to see if this changes Kane’s reputation in this country.

As great a player as he is… I know a lot of us here have always felt he’s got quite a cynical, sly edge to his game (think of the very crafty clattering foul back into a fresh from injury Lallana) and his clever dives. He is no saint and not how he’s portrayed as an angelic England captain that’s for sure.

For the record I hope he gets his move to City though. The lad deserves to win something.

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Pavilionaire said:

1. Kane is 3 years into a 6 year deal.
2. He is contractually obliged to turn up to training.
3. By not turning up you disrespect your coaches, your teammates and your club.
4. This is not the time to be selling Kane when only one of the few clubs that have the capability to buy him actually have the cash to do so now.

It's poor from Kane but also poor from Citeh. If you want the player then pay the price, don't make the bloke trash his legacy for the sake of a few mill.

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Greg Bobkin said:

This. Have City (or any other club) actually put in an offer for Kane? He might be getting ahead of himself anyway, thinking that Levy is refusing, but there is so much BS written around transfers, you'd never know the truth.

The other thing this behaviour does is to demonstrate what he could be like at other clubs if he doesn't get his own way*. He's got a job – and a contract – to complete. There is no use relying on 'gentlemen's agreements*, especially not with someone like Levy.

*If that's even what is happening here...

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Couldn't Be Hyypia said:

I don't have a clue about this specific case, so can't comment. But I do have an insight into how agreements work in football. It is entirely possible that Kane agreed to extend his contract (in order to increase his value when he is sold by Spurs) on an understanding that he would be released this Summer (or even last potentially). It turns out that it doesn't suit Spurs to sell him now (possibly because the market is depressed - even at the top end) and they have decided to keep him and not honour the verbal agreement. After what may have been a great deal of discussion, the club are standing firm so Kane has had to take what he feels is appropriate action, and with limited options, he has returned to go back for pre-season. Yes, he's in breach of contract, but he might argue that Spurs have gone back on their agreement. We will never know.

The point I'm clumsily making is that what we see Kane doing now COULD be the final, visible result of a lot of previous discussion. It might not simply be petulence on his part. It's probably wrong to conclude that he is just being a dick.

He is however a diving snide of a player who therefore is going to be given less support and understanding than he otherwise might.

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Greg Bobkin said:

I get what you're saying and appreciate the insight into how things work, but it seems a crazy way to run proceedings.

The bit on bold talks about two things: one is a legal binding document, agreed by all parties, the other is just a conversation that doesn't mean a thing, in reality. If that is what has happened, unless Kane has got any 'proof' that the agreement was 100% set in stone (and in that case, why wouldn't you stick that in an updated contract, or – as someone pointed out earlier on TalkShite – get a release clause put into your contract), then he's been naive, at best...

I never thought I'd say this, but I'm #TeamSpuds

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Couldn't Be Hyypia said:

I don't have a clue about this specific case, so can't comment. But I do have an insight into how agreements work in football. It is entirely possible that Kane agreed to extend his contract (in order to increase his value when he is sold by Spurs) on an understanding that he would be released this Summer (or even last potentially). It turns out that it doesn't suit Spurs to sell him now (possibly because the market is depressed - even at the top end) and they have decided to keep him and not honour the verbal agreement. After what may have been a great deal of discussion, the club are standing firm so Kane has had to take what he feels is appropriate action, and with limited options, he has returned to go back for pre-season. Yes, he's in breach of contract, but he might argue that Spurs have gone back on their agreement. We will never know.

The point I'm clumsily making is that what we see Kane doing now COULD be the final, visible result of a lot of previous discussion. It might not simply be petulence on his part. It's probably wrong to conclude that he is just being a dick.

He is however a diving snide of a player who therefore is going to be given less support and understanding than he otherwise might.

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vagabond said:

Elite players have had all the power for so long, maybe things will start to change and clubs will get a bit more weight. Players can’t have it both ways. They can’t sign a multi year contract with all the protection that brings and no doubt a whacking great signing on fee that is collectively an obscene financial package, and then complain that the club aren’t letting them go.

Saw it with Messi as well last season complaining they wouldn’t let him go to City.

You can’t have it both ways. If you don’t want to commit for 4 years, don’t. Commit to a year extension. If the club don’t want that then you can move on. I’m starting to side more with Spurs in this situation, although I suspect old Harry’s most likely been given bad advice from agents who were all too happy to skim of the top of his multi million contract extension rather than think of his career.

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Couldn't Be Hyypia said:

I think verbal agreements can be just as binding as a written one - they're just harder to prove definitively. (Legal folks will correct me on this).

I know a case where a player was promised a three year contract extension at the end of his first season. He was offered that contract, but it had a one year break clause for the club. So in effect it was a one year contract - whilst still meeting the terms of the agreement. Player rejected the contract and the spin from the club was that he was just being greedy. This must happen again and again, which is why ironically the role of the agent grew - and in doing so unleashed that particular shit show of self-serving, trough snuffling clowns.

My conclusion is that you never know and never will. But to draw definitive conclusions based on only the outcomes you can see is almost always a mistake.

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Couldn't Be Hyypia said:

I think verbal agreements can be just as binding as a written one - they're just harder to prove definitively. (Legal folks will correct me on this).

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NooBHA said:

Harry Kane is in the Bahamas on holiday. Spurs will have known this. Who is actually saying that he is not turning up for training. The Press are probably looking for a Narrative for a story that doesn't exist

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