The excess death figure will provides a reasonable estimate of this.
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The excess death figure will provides a reasonable estimate of this.
No idea about 82 year olds, with illness, life expectancy. But, what you’re talking about here is the basis of actuarial science. If you go Googling into this field I’m sure you’ll find some answers to your questions.
Hospitals overrun with people fighting for their lives from Covid, won’t help those with cancer and other life threatening illnesses. In fact, quite the opposite.
Enforced public health laws save lives from Covid and keep hospitals open for the many.
You are right. Many people don't want to face the facts you have outlined in your unpopular but accurate post. Far too much emphasis is put on battling Covid while untold numbers of people will be facing undiagnosed cancers and other life threatening illness. Many of whom will die alone, undiagnosed, in great pain.
Long after the covid outbreak is a half forgotten blur of zoom meetings, pot bashing and toilet paper shortages, people will be dealing with preventable consequences. Of course, I mean no disrespect to those who have lost loved ones to covid, they shall not be forgotten. I speak of the VAST majority of people that have not lost loved ones to covid. But who may lose loved ones because of the over-reaction to covid.
But it ended up being not right by the end of August, all of September and counting. The runaway train of exponential growth in CV19 cases in the UK had begun. Translating into rapidly rising fatalities by late September.
At that point, only state or regional intervention can alter the trajectory and save lives.
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With respect - and we all know where that leads when someone says that - that's nonsense.
What I believe is relatively simple:
1. All those with health concerns deserve to get the treatment they need and deserve in a timely manner. For the avoidance of doubt, that's those who suffer acute symptoms from Covid-19, those who have a new or existing cancer diagnosis, those with mental health problems and more besides.
2. The very best chance of everyone receiving the healthcare they deserve is for Covid-19 infection rates to remain low. It removes a massive headache from the NHS, and means there is less contention for their finite resources.
3. There is no route from where we are that is painless somewhere. Balancing healthcare for Covid-19 patients, healthcare for those with all manner of other ailments and the widespread economic impacts of dealing with this is difficult. Unfortunately there is going to be pain - it's just unavoidable. We have to try the very best we can to minimise that pain and support those who are impacted. But it's not ****ing easy.
4. Saying "**** it, let's just get back to normal now" is a fast-track to disaster on all fronts. Health services will quickly become overwhelmed with sick people, whilst simultaneously losing large numbers of staff who also become ill and, in some cases, die. With the health services overwhelmed, many of those who require healthcare for other issues will miss out - there aren't enough resources to go round. Economic impact are huge - lots of people are sick, lots are dying. Additionally, many of those who are OK all but lock themselves away. If catching the virus could mean you need medical help that can't be provided then you will do your utmost to minimise the chances of catching the virus. At this point the government would have no choice but to impose a full lockdown - people would be demanding it.
Over-reaction? What do you think we should be doing right now? And, play along with me please, whatever you propose - what would you then do if it didn't work out and hospitals were swamped denying care to all those you, and I, wish to see helped.
I’m very open to the idea I could be very wrong. Which is why I follow all the instructions and restrictions and always wear a mask in public and at work.
LamieRobertson
Not awoke
Possibly ..but I’d hazard a guess that it’s not the current one ...but those in the future as a result of actions taken now.
sydney
tinky ****in winky
sydney
tinky ****in winky
we are on the same page here......this is ruining the world , it's funny how there was a growing wave of dissent around the planet re politicians , royalty, immigration , the money paid to and spent by politicians , protests in HK , Thailand , Ukraine ,India, Venezuela, South Africa, Belarus , Poland to name a few ....lo and behold along comes a "bona fide" pandemic to bring about a global shut down and like i said elsewhere , politicians globally have showed that they are by and large winging it ....!! in my opinion of course.
sydney
tinky ****in winky
people are catching on .....slowly.
My suspicion is in about five years time we will look back on all this as an overreaction and realise it would have run it’s course whatever we did .I don’t believe the NHS was ever in danger of being overrun. Nightingale hospitals stood empty and unused etc.
I realise this is not a popular opinion and expect a roasting for it but something about this whole mess does not add up. I’m not really buying it anymore.
Perfidious Albion
Well-known member
The media are to blame for focussing on the closure of pubs and the people moaning about the Government .
Instead they should be telling of the thousands admitted to hospital with Covid and the hundreds dying all the time with it.
They seem determined to make this political. What do they want? Freedom to please themselves? Then they would slam Boris for inactivity.
Show us hospitals....interview the bereaved.That is the real story....
Instead they should be telling of the thousands admitted to hospital with Covid and the hundreds dying all the time with it.
They seem determined to make this political. What do they want? Freedom to please themselves? Then they would slam Boris for inactivity.
Show us hospitals....interview the bereaved.That is the real story....
How many times - they stood unused because we had a nationwide lockdown that stopped the exponential rise in cases!
We're about to enter the winter months, which in normal years is a struggle for the NHS - remember the reports of people being treated in corridors etc? Add a hundred or so Coronavirus patients to that for each hospital and it won't be people being treated in hospital corridors, it'll be turning people away because they have no choice.
I'm surprised this is coming from you to be honest, you're better than this.
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Scenes in Wales, this cannot be real surely
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I didn't believe this to start with, but it is happening.
Quite ludicrous, Drakeford has surely lost the plot.
Don’t worry, some days I don’t agree with me either.
It's genuinely staggering that you still absolutely refuse to understand that locking down keeps hospitals open, and while it might delay some treatments and diagnoses if we just let the virus rip then hospitals are going to become clogged and NONE of these diagnoses and treatments will take place. Is it better to delay or outright cancel?
You're going to ask me why I regard my Mum's life as more important than people I've never met at the other end of the country? So you're just totally lacking in empathy and humanity I assume? It actually explains an awful lot.
Weasel wording and appeal to extremes. There is a middle ground between what you're proposing here and what you'd like which is to return to a 2019 level of normality. Which is basically doing what we're doing now (albeit doing it a bit better).
The fatal flaw in this post is that people aren't trusting "politicians", they're trusting "scientists". Which is why now in the countries which have deviated from the scientific advice (e.g. Brazil, the US, the UK) the popularity of their Governments is falling, whereas the politicians which have followed the advice of the scientists are already reaping rewards (see Jacinda Ardern).
sydney
tinky ****in winky
well at least we agree on this , which has a lot more gravity than the rest of the bollox we piffle about......
