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LamieRobertson
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Media broadcast the numbers etc every day ..plenty there about what you refer to the ‘real story’ ..indeed they only focused on that for some months and not the wider picture
The Wizard
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- Jul 2, 2009
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- Jul 10, 2003
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No, it really isn't. If you force non-essential businesses such as card shops, clothes shops, cookware shops etc, to close, why would you then let the multinational Supermarkets, who are open to sell food and drink, take the whole of the market from the shops you forcibly close, pushing them closer to going out of business ? Seems like common sense to me
Unless you think that purchasing a birthday card is an essential during a pandemic ?
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No, it really isn't. If you force non-essential businesses such as card shops, clothes shops, cookware shops etc, to close, why would you then let the multinational Supermarkets, who are open to sell food and drink, take the whole of the market from the shops you forcibly close, pushing them closer to going out of business ? Seems like common sense to me
Unless you think that purchasing a birthday card is an essential during a pandemic ?
I would say some children who are suffering quite enough already would be disappointed at not getting birthday cards etc so even if not essential purchase should be allowed
- Jul 10, 2003
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Then campaign to make card shops an exception to the 'essentials rule' the same as food and drink.
I wouldn't myself, but it's all about opinions
The Wizard
Well-known member
- Jul 2, 2009
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No, it really isn't. If you force non-essential businesses such as card shops, clothes shops, cookware shops etc, to close, why would you then let the multinational Supermarkets, who are open to sell food and drink, take the whole of the market from the shops you forcibly close, pushing them closer to going out of business ? Seems like common sense to me
Unless you think that purchasing a birthday card is an essential during a pandemic ?
So for the entire period of lockdown nobody is allowed to buy anything other than food and drink? Absolutely ridiculous. All people will do is go on Amazon or Moonpig etc and that serves no good for the local economy.
How anyone can label this nonsense as common sense genuinely staggers me, people still need to buy other things and all this will do is make people go online, if you genuinely think someone who needs something other than food is going to think ‘oh I will wait for that local shop to open back up’ instead of just going online then I honestly have no words.
- Jul 10, 2003
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You're happy to see the multinational supermarkets put specialist shops out of business, I'm not. I believe that if you introduce rules, those same rules should apply to all businesses, you don't.
I wouldn't dream of calling your views Absolutely ridiculous, but as this little exchange has shown, we are obviously very different people
The Wizard
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- Jul 2, 2009
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You're happy to see the multinational supermarkets put specialist shops out of business, I'm not. I believe that if you introduce rules, those same rules should apply to all businesses, you don't.
I wouldn't dream of calling your views Absolutely ridiculous, but as this little exchange has shown, we are obviously very different people
If it’s a choice between supporting Tesco or Asda that employ thousands of local people or amazon, I know which one I’d prefer to support.
- Jul 10, 2003
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Or have I misunderstood, and is it that you disagree with any shops being closed at all
The Nightingales were a contingency......when they were set up, hospitals were heading to breaking point in terms of ITU capacity etc. Lockdown - just - slowed things in time to mean they weren’t needed.
Big fear now is another exponential explosion in numbers obviously - could easily spiral out of control very, very quickly, particularly as we’re heading into winter. Add all the ‘usual’ winter hospital admissions to that through flu etc to Covid cases and very quickly the system falls over.
We can’t, though, continue like this.......for me, we have to pin hopes on an effective vaccine (and things look - to me at least - far more positive than others seem to think on that front with so many independent efforts progressing - see pic below), and immediately target the more vulnerable with that first, with ‘everyone else’ starting to return to normal recognising that for the vast majority of non-vulnerable people the illness isn’t serious (and where it is, with the vulnerable vaccinated, the NHS won’t be overwhelmed with cases).
sydney
tinky ****in winky
No, it really isn't. If you force non-essential businesses such as card shops, clothes shops, cookware shops etc, to close, why would you then let the multinational Supermarkets, who are open to sell food and drink, take the whole of the market from the shops you forcibly close, pushing them closer to going out of business ? Seems like common sense to me
Unless you think that purchasing a birthday card is an essential during a pandemic ?
how's your hedge fund....?? ffs it might be the last birthday card some people ever get.
You are comparing the experience of someone dying with someone living under restrictions?
sydney
tinky ****in winky
So how many people dying in the UK do you think is acceptable to not have any restrictions?
No waffle, just give a figure.
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
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No, it really isn't. If you force non-essential businesses such as card shops, clothes shops, cookware shops etc, to close, why would you then let the multinational Supermarkets, who are open to sell food and drink, take the whole of the market from the shops you forcibly close, pushing them closer to going out of business ? Seems like common sense to me
not really, it doesnt help a single non-essential shop, while pissing off anyone needing everyday items. its just petty and bureaucratic. but then closing the shops in the first place is unnecessary. Welsh government has gone a bit mental with blanket national response when only a few southern valley districts have high rates.
sydney
tinky ****in winky
it's not about the figure , it's about the effect on every day life and the politicians making out they know best when clearly they don't ....all sorts of figures being slung about re. annual deaths from flu and pneumonia 40-50 k per year...mostly elderly , acceptable ...?? impossible to answer we are nudging 50 k now no..?
- Jul 10, 2003
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To be fair, there is an argument whether they should be closing shops full stop, but surely if you decide that only essential items are sold then only essential items should be sold. If one shop isn't allowed to open because they sell clothes, deemed 'not essential' then other shops should also follow suit and not sell 'non essential' clothes
And I would suggest that closing card shops whilst letting supermarkets sell cards in their place is the very essence of 'not helping non-essential shops' stay in business.
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Ok, as you don't want to answer let's play a game.
500,000 die in exchange for the lifting of all restrictions. Deal or no deal?