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[News] Nigel Farage and Reform
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darkwolf666
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What are your LEGAL and within maritime Law suggestions for getting this “sorted”?
TomandJerry
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I don't have all the answers - but it's s situation I think we both can agree can't continue
darkwolf666
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This SITUATION is one of our own making.
The Brexit vote was the start of it, then the "oven ready" deal that Boris promised, which actually turned out to be more of a dead parrot, bargaining away our rights to return, as we didn't need Johnny Foreigner anymore, as we were taking back control of our borders, reclaiming our sovereignty, making our own laws, blah, blah, blah...
And no, it can't continue - I believe over time the numbers WILL come down, with the actions the grown up government are taking, but like the saying goes, Rome wasn't built in a day!
All the while, Nigel will stand at the White Cliffs of Dover, pointing at boats, like some modern day King Canute.
TomandJerry
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We shall see what happens to the numbers over time, we have to hope Labour can get it under control.
BJ has a lot to answer for whilst Farage can just say that it hasn't his Brexit deal and it wouldn't of happened if he was PM
darkwolf666
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We finally agree on something
armchairclubber
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Starmer does subscribe to an ideology that shapes his politics, and allows him to be shaped, more than you may care or wish to imagine.
It's not socialist either.
I think we can safely put Starmer in that category also.
Bully for you.
The thing is - you keep telling us that you come on here to learn stuff through 'debating' and 'discussing'. But it seems to me that there isn't much of this from you. You quote things, but don't then go on to debate or discuss stuff when invited to expand and give your own thoughts. You must have learnt and read enough by now to have some idea of what you think might go towards an answer?
TomandJerry
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More than happy to answer -
We need more safe and legal routes for migrants to avoid the boat smuggling situation, possibly more boarder force to help deal with the amount of people crossing and more support for people who are drowning in the ocean to avoid deaths
I'd also like to see more foreign policies directed towards the countries where the migrants are coming from to help improve their life in their home country, decreasing the need to migrate
Thunder Bolt
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What policies do you think will help people in Afghanistan or Somalia?
In my naivety I would like to think it was possible to have empathy for both (Edit: not the rioters but those who are feeling marginalised and are struggling in the UK)
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darkwolf666
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You claim you like to be informed, and want things to read, so try this, might help your understanding a bit more...
Asylum and refugee resettlement in the UK - Migration Observatory
This briefing sets out key facts and figures, as well as information gaps, relating to migration to the UK, specifically refugees and asylum seekers. It looks at overall numbers, characteristics of asylum seekers, and outcomes of asylum applications.
migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk
Yes - I agree. And in your search for a political home, I would suggest that your answers are not to be found within Reform UK's proposals / manifestos, but are more akin to the sort of things Starmer initially set out. Not so sure wbout his latest pronouncements though.
n1 gull
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You make a fantastic recruitment officer. The party will be pleased
BadFish
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BadFish
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I broadly agree with this also.
This is Reform's Policy on this
Stop the Boats with our 4 Point Plan
1. Leave the European Convention on Human Rights.
2. Zero illegal immigrants to be resettled in the UK.
3. New Department of Immigration.
4. Pick up illegal migrants out of boats and take them back to France
Given that the last one can't be done - https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cyxeedx40d8o
The second one is a bit sus as applying for asylum is not illegal.
The first one require you all to give away a whole load of protection.
I am not sure the third one will make any difference.
They are not offering you any of the requests on your list.
darkwolf666
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It's all weasel words, for their own benefit, isn't it...
BadFish
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For a party that is hoping to form a government largely based on their immigration policies, they just don't seem to have a clue.
No clear solutions to the problems they perceive and no clear idea of the numbers they think are appropriate for the UK.
I honestly can't see that they are anything more than grifters.
I feel like he has been banging on about needing a "sensible conversation about immigration" for years. What has become obvious though is that he is not taking the chance to lead that conversation.
I wonder why that is.
darkwolf666
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If, and it is a big IF, Nigel Farage got into power, he wouldn't achieve any of his aims, and would just blame Europe, judges, Labour and Conservatives.
Bit like his orange mate across the seas and his fixation on blaming ALL his failings on Joe Biden!
The main thing is. HE DOESN'T CARE. It's all just a game and a way to make him rich(er), like Boris before him...
Which party? Labour? I am not a member. Having quickly looked at the Lib Dem Manifesto - they suggest similar sorts of things actually.
@TomandJerry has said they are looking for a political home and would like to learn more. The best way of doing that is by seeing how their hopes/wishes/thoughts align with political parties' manifestos / actions. Do you not agree?