[News] Nigel Farage and Reform

[TomandJerry]

The Taliban are not interested.

Well then we can work with the surrounding countries and help make people feel more accommodated there instead - it's all about trying to stem the tide at the source, or as close as possible

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Well then we can work with the surrounding countries and help make people feel more accommodated there instead - it's all about trying to stem the tide at the source, or as close as possible

Pakistan and Iran have taken in thousands.
The Afghans who want to come here are the ones who worked with and for us, either as armed forces or interpreters. We abandoned them, and they would be put to death if they stay.

You know this, but are still posting as if you don’t.

 

[TomandJerry]

Pakistan and Iran have taken in thousands.
The Afghans who want to come here are the ones who worked with and for us, either as armed forces or interpreters. We abandoned them, and they would be put to death if they stay.

You know this, but are still posting as if you don’t.

I'm just trying to think of solutions to the current issue at hand, people dying in the sea must be stopped

 

[darkwolf666]

Well then we can work with the surrounding countries and help make people feel more accommodated there instead - it's all about trying to stem the tide at the source, or as close as possible

Ah, so you’re ok with migration, just so long as they don’t come HERE!

 

[BadFish]

Ah, so you’re ok with migration, just so long as they don’t come HERE!

This is the nub of most arguments about asylum seekers.

Stop the boats - make then someone else's problem.

As I mentioned previously you never see the asylum seeker numbers compared with other countries.

 

[BadFish]

Well let's address these 4 points one at a time

Leaving the ECHR without the invention of a British Court of Human Rights being established (or equivalent) would be madness, and as you point out, less rights for all, also the Ireland issue.

Illegal immigrants, as far as I'm aware, have no rights to be here anyways? More than happy to accommodate legal migrants who are needed.

A department for Immigration, doesn't sound like a bad idea to be fair since it's a huge issue politically.

The fourth point I can't argue with since, well, it's illegal

A new department of immigration is a typical Reform policy. It does actually say anything about how the new one will differ to the old one. Nor does it say what is wrong with the old one that cannot be changed by different policy. It's totally meaning less.

So of their point plan: 25% is illegal, 25% totally meaning less, 25% uses the wrong terminology and 25% is as you madness.

This is their flagship policy! Farage has been banging this drum for decades and this is the fruits of his labour.

As a general question to those supporting Reform* on here. Can you explain to me why people think Reform is the answer?

I understand that they have been convinced that immigration is at the root of their problems, so no need to tell me that again. But why do they see this 4 point plan as the solution?


*who don't really support Reform, just thing we should understand why people vote for Reform even though they don't vote for or support Reform)

 

[jcdenton08]

As a general question to those supporting Reform* on here. Can you explain to me why people think Reform is the answer?

People will vote for Reform because of the cult of personality of Nigel Farage, combined with sky-high immigration. They will (and have) vote Reform because they feel neither Labour nor the Tories, the two main options, have provided a solution that they are happy with so are seeking an alternative. There is one alternative. Reform.

 

[BadFish]

People will vote for Reform because of the cult of personality of Nigel Farage, combined with sky-high immigration. They will (and have) vote Reform because they feel neither Labour nor the Tories, the two main options, have provided a solution that they are happy with so are seeking an alternative. There is one alternative. Reform.

Not really,there are other alternatives. But I guess they have checked out the alternate asylum seeker policies and decided that this one is the best.

Slim pickings indeed.

Sarcasm aside, I think you are right with the first bit. They have been persuaded that immigration is at the heart of their woes and the cult of Farage has persuaded them that he is the man to fix everything (despite his previous track record and appalling flagship policy).

A podcaster over here talks about hsi as 'beauty pageant politics'. Very powerful in terms of swing voters but only really serves the politicians as it means they can offer us crap policy like this one and get elected.

 

[jcdenton08]

Not really,there are other alternatives. But I guess they have checked out the alternate asylum seeker policies and decided that this one is the best.

Are there? Who (who hasn’t spent decades in government and actively overseen the rise in immigration) would that be then? Lib Dems? Greens?

 

[ozzygull]

People will vote for Reform because of the cult of personality of Nigel Farage, combined with sky-high immigration. They will (and have) vote Reform because they feel neither Labour nor the Tories, the two main options, have provided a solution that they are happy with so are seeking an alternative. There is one alternative. Reform.

This issue for the gullible who vote for them, neither will reform if they get in power. Farage doesn’t believe what he is telling people, he is just running the populist vote. It does not matter what Labour or the Conservatives do, these people have decided that right wing fascism is what they want. Strangely these numpties will go on about how proud they are that their grandparents fought in World War Two, ironically against right wing fascism.

I don’t think there are many people who doesn’t think there is an issue with the level immigration, but most can see there is not a simple solution to fix it.

 

[BadFish]

Are there? Who (who hasn’t spent decades in government and actively overseen the rise in immigration) would that be then? Lib Dems? Greens?

Do they not have asylum policies?

Edit: a quick squiz at the greens policy suggests that it is far closer to TomandJerrys beliefs than Reforms.

So I guess we can definately call them an alternative.

Refugee and Asylum Policy - Green Party Asylum and Migration Policy Working Group

migration.greenparty.org.uk

 

[Weststander]

Not really,there are other alternatives. But I guess they have checked out the alternate asylum seeker policies and decided that this one is the best.

Slim pickings indeed.

Sarcasm aside, I think you are right with the first bit. They have been persuaded that immigration is at the heart of their woes and the cult of Farage has persuaded them that he is the man to fix everything (despite his previous track record and appalling flagship policy).

A podcaster over here talks about hsi as 'beauty pageant politics'. Very powerful in terms of swing voters but only really serves the politicians as it means they can offer us crap policy like this one and get elected.

Starmer’s Labour in opposition from the Truss period onwards, just had to avoid faux pas to seal a GE win, no need for detailed policies. Similarly Farage can now play that tactic due to this seismic UK change. Woefully inadequate new housing numbers for 30 years and little new infrastructure, have created a nation with an unaffordable future for folk 20 to 40 who lack wealthy parents gifting them an average now of £56k per kid.