BadFish
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- Oct 19, 2003
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Science is hard so we shouldn't bother?
I will leave you with this opinion as I couldn't agree more and am so thankful that scientists have disagreed with it throughout history.
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[News] Gender and biological sex
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I will leave you with this opinion as I couldn't agree more and am so thankful that scientists have disagreed with it throughout history.
Mustafa II
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I'm not saying that - science will continue to try to understand the world - but cherry picking scientific studies to support your political view about a relatively new cultural problem, will only be divisive and probably unhelpful.
Never ever ever will I ever understand why this stuff is such a big issue in today’s world. I mean, apart from a tiny tiny percentage of society, who cares? This debate should be so far down the scale on the things that matter in this country, and yet is seems to constantly be at the forefront of the news, and seems to ignite such strong opinions in people. It’s bizarre.
Mustafa II
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It's very divisive, where the opposing sides are very vocal, with both sides making compelling arguments. This is exacerbated as the wellbeing of women and children can be affected by political decisions made.
Contrary to @BadFish, there is no right answer as it's a cultural problem rather than a scientific one. So it's going to be both sides screaming at each other for some time, I fear.
BadFish
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So here is what actually happened if I wasn't clear about it earlier.
1. I watched a video with a science communicator (or whatever they describe themselves as) giving what sounded like a clear and well executed explanation of the science gender dysphoria.
2. A part of it didn't fit with my current understanding and interested me. I wondered how settled the science was on that aspect (that gender identity is innate).
3. So I asked a few questions and did a bit of research, which I am still doing as I am not satisfied that I have answered my question.
How you can see this as cherry picking scientific studies to support my political* view is beyond me.
*for me this issue is far more damaged by people seeing it as political than scientific.
Motogull
Todd Warrior
- Sep 16, 2005
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Politics and religion will continue to fill the gaps that science cannot (yet) explain. Be patient fella.
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Curious Orange
Punxsatawney Phil
Frankly I would have thought that sterilising, mutilating, and permanently medicalising minors, as promoted by WPATH, would have been more of a scandal than it currently is.
BadFish
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Thanks, I guess while we live in a climate of science denial. People are going to deny it. It's very sad though.
Motogull
Todd Warrior
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It can be weaponized by the loonies on the extreme right (and apparently also the obscure left, but mainly in the mainstream in the extreme right. Such as the tory leadershite).
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I'd like to invite them to a gravity denial party.
Round my place.
Upstairs.
Near a window.
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I have never heard of them.
Seems there is a good reason
World Professional Association for Transgender Health - Wikipedia
Has anyone ever heard of a world professional association of anything meaningful?
That governs world standards?
FIFA?
The world professional Darts is manged by ....PaddyPower!
PDC World Darts Championship - Wikipedia
Curious Orange
Punxsatawney Phil
WPATH are a rather dubious lot, who unfortunately gained a lot of influence internationally as people weren't checking the work they were citing.I have never heard of them.
Seems there is a good reason
World Professional Association for Transgender Health - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Has anyone ever heard of a world professional association of anything meaningful?
That governs world standards?
FIFA?
The world professional Darts is manged by ....PaddyPower!
PDC World Darts Championship - Wikipedia
Why disturbing leaks from US gender group WPATH ring alarm bells in the NHS | Hannah Barnes
WPATH is no model in the search for evidence-based care of transgender children
www.theguardian.com
Knocky's Nose
Mon nez est retiré.
Bollocks or Labia... not sure which to refer to.
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I get very annoyed with people who don't check what the are citing.WPATH are a rather dubious lot, who unfortunately gained a lot of influence internationally as people weren't checking the work they were citing.
Why disturbing leaks from US gender group WPATH ring alarm bells in the NHS | Hannah Barnes
WPATH is no model in the search for evidence-based care of transgender children
As some of my final years students have discovered today, when I released the feedback for 53 in course essays.
And these opinions seem to be mainly from middle-aged men. I say opinion, it’s more an obsession.
Curious Orange
Punxsatawney Phil
All good
. I know I have a lot to learn, and I'm lucky to work for an employer who has invested in, and believes in, DEI.The one thing I'd disagree with in your post above is "I don't have to". The more people who educate themselves on the topic, and at the very least through that education come to the same conclusion you have that there's no need to be a **** about it, the better. Even better, though, is people who take it a step beyond "not being a ****" and become an ally - calling out those people who are being a ****, pointing them at educational resources, ensure that those who might be marginalised by the "being a ****" element in society are made to feel welcome around you.
I've got more learning to do. I've done enough to know that the most common anti-trans arguments made are far too simplistic ("it's biology isn't it, you're born male or female") and/or not supported by data ("normal women are in danger from predatory trans-women using female-only facilities"). That last example, or variations on it, is one that I've seen casually trotted out a few times in this thread - and I would challenge those who have to go and do some proper research. The data available just doesn't back it up.
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beorhthelm
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ironically dismissing the views of women on the subject.