[News] Gender and biological sex

[jackanada]

It also seems a shame that allegedly the protesters didn't focus their efforts towards reading the book of the person they were protest against.

At university level you would hope that placards included correct citations.

Maybe that is why the university was fined.

Some years back there was a custody case that many trans activists were up in arms about because a 'trans girl' had been taken from her mother and the father given custody. With particular fury given to some uncontextualised remarks from the judge about the child choosing some boys spiderman underpants.
It seemed off to me and as I had nothing to do that day I read the actual judgement.
Long story short mother was a mental narcissist who'd kicked dad out and forced their son to be a girl. Lots of other issues over her care of child but she scared off social services complaining of trans abuse.
So already I'm thinking wtf has no one done any due diligence before launching into this.
Then the real kicker. As many will know British law is case law, and the judge stated that children have the right to explore their understanding of sexuality and gender and that preventing that can constitute abuse. An incredibly positive judgement for LGBTQ rights. Just in this case it was mum abusing her male child by not letting them be a boy.
So after less than an hour's research I spent another couple of hours responding to various activists social media and while not one said omg I'm sorry every mention of the story was deleted from their accounts by that evening.
Easily the most successful thing I've ever done on the internet.

 

[Hugo Rune]

How did University not allow freedom of speech when Prof Stock said everything she wanted?

Firstly, Prof Stock did not say everything she wanted because she is a dog whistler for trans-exclusionary radical feminists. She is a highly intelligent academic and made sure that she did not cross the line into clear transphobia although many argued that she clearly did. She is linked to groups like the LGB Alliance who campaign against what they believe are thousands of young lesbians forced by a male dominated homophobic parents/community/society to become men.

She felt ‘pressured’ to change some of her course material based on the University’s Trans and Non-Binary Equality Policy, published in 2018.

This Policy was aimed at protecting Trans and Non-Binary people from undefined things described as ‘transphobic propaganda’, ‘intrusive questions’ and wanted ALL university literature or course material to ‘positively represent trans people and trans lives’. This policy was approved in an hurriedly assembled non-minuted meeting a day after being rejected in a minuted meeting by the same committee.

She resigned after the protest about her views. Did the University take the protesters side? The only thing wrong was allowing protest against somebody’s views on trans?
Surely?

She actually resigned after her Union, the UCU, threw her under the bus and her colleagues (academics) harangued her. Her skin was thick enough to cope with the protests from the queer, trans and non-binary students but not when her colleagues turned on her.

The University did not take the side of the protesters. UCU called the University ‘institutionally transphobic’ because of this.

The University were fined because of clear ‘positive discrimination’ in favour of trans and non-binary people.

Whatever when the University is short of money a fine of half a million is mad.

This judgment has taken over 1,224 days since the investigation started. They weren’t short of money until the astonishing drop in international students they saw this academic year. The fine was originally calculated at £2.7m using an OfS calculation formula linked to their qualifying income in 23/24 of £232m. It has been reduced to an affordable level that is meant to ensure the institution don’t make the same mistakes again.

 

[BadFish]

Some years back there was a custody case that many trans activists were up in arms about because a 'trans girl' had been taken from her mother and the father given custody. With particular fury given to some uncontextualised remarks from the judge about the child choosing some boys spiderman underpants.
It seemed off to me and as I had nothing to do that day I read the actual judgement.
Long story short mother was a mental narcissist who'd kicked dad out and forced their son to be a girl. Lots of other issues over her care of child but she scared off social services complaining of trans abuse.
So already I'm thinking wtf has no one done any due diligence before launching into this.
Then the real kicker. As many will know British law is case law, and the judge stated that children have the right to explore their understanding of sexuality and gender and that preventing that can constitute abuse. An incredibly positive judgement for LGBTQ rights. Just in this case it was mum abusing her male child by not letting them be a boy.
So after less than an hour's research I spent another couple of hours responding to various activists social media and while not one said omg I'm sorry every mention of the story was deleted from their accounts by that evening.
Easily the most successful thing I've ever done on the internet.

Brilliant, I feel a great deal of outrage could be curtailed by doing similar.

 

[Motogull]

All I can really add is that this is a particularly difficult issue to navigate through. I doubt there is any hope of resolution on the horizon.

 

[amexer]

Firstly, Prof Stock did not say everything she wanted because she is a dog whistler for trans-exclusionary radical feminists. She is a highly intelligent academic and made sure that she did not cross the line into clear transphobia although many argued that she clearly did. She is linked to groups like the LGB Alliance who campaign against what they believe are thousands of young lesbians forced by a male dominated homophobic parents/community/society to become men.

She felt ‘pressured’ to change some of her course material based on the University’s Trans and Non-Binary Equality Policy, published in 2018.

This Policy was aimed at protecting Trans and Non-Binary people from undefined things described as ‘transphobic propaganda’, ‘intrusive questions’ and wanted ALL university literature or course material to ‘positively represent trans people and trans lives’. This policy was approved in an hurriedly assembled non-minuted meeting a day after being rejected in a minuted meeting by the same committee.


She actually resigned after her Union, the UCU, threw her under the bus and her colleagues (academics) harangued her. Her skin was thick enough to cope with the protests from the queer, trans and non-binary students but not when her colleagues turned on her.

The University did not take the side of the protesters. UCU called the University ‘institutionally transphobic’ because of this.

The University were fined because of clear ‘positive discrimination’ in favour of trans and non-binary people.

This judgment has taken over 1,224 days since the investigation started. They weren’t short of money until the astonishing drop in international students they saw this academic year. The fine was originally calculated at £2.7m using an OfS calculation formula linked to their qualifying income in 23/24 of £232m. It has been reduced to an affordable level that is meant to ensure the institution don’t make the same mistakes again.

Thank you for answers/views.. As somebody that can be prone to speak before I think I am So pleased not to have spent working life at university.where all must have to think carefully before giving views.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Some years back there was a custody case that many trans activists were up in arms about because a 'trans girl' had been taken from her mother and the father given custody. With particular fury given to some uncontextualised remarks from the judge about the child choosing some boys spiderman underpants.
It seemed off to me and as I had nothing to do that day I read the actual judgement.
Long story short mother was a mental narcissist who'd kicked dad out and forced their son to be a girl. Lots of other issues over her care of child but she scared off social services complaining of trans abuse.
So already I'm thinking wtf has no one done any due diligence before launching into this.
Then the real kicker. As many will know British law is case law, and the judge stated that children have the right to explore their understanding of sexuality and gender and that preventing that can constitute abuse. An incredibly positive judgement for LGBTQ rights. Just in this case it was mum abusing her male child by not letting them be a boy.
So after less than an hour's research I spent another couple of hours responding to various activists social media and while not one said omg I'm sorry every mention of the story was deleted from their accounts by that evening.
Easily the most successful thing I've ever done on the internet.

Reminds me a bit of when a black rights 'group' (probably two workmates, and the siter of one of them doing the admin) accused the Albion of racism for sacking CH.
There are arse-hats everywhere.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Firstly, Prof Stock did not say everything she wanted because she is a dog whistler for trans-exclusionary radical feminists. She is a highly intelligent academic and made sure that she did not cross the line into clear transphobia although many argued that she clearly did. She is linked to groups like the LGB Alliance who campaign against what they believe are thousands of young lesbians forced by a male dominated homophobic parents/community/society to become men.

She felt ‘pressured’ to change some of her course material based on the University’s Trans and Non-Binary Equality Policy, published in 2018.

This Policy was aimed at protecting Trans and Non-Binary people from undefined things described as ‘transphobic propaganda’, ‘intrusive questions’ and wanted ALL university literature or course material to ‘positively represent trans people and trans lives’. This policy was approved in an hurriedly assembled non-minuted meeting a day after being rejected in a minuted meeting by the same committee.


She actually resigned after her Union, the UCU, threw her under the bus and her colleagues (academics) harangued her. Her skin was thick enough to cope with the protests from the queer, trans and non-binary students but not when her colleagues turned on her.

The University did not take the side of the protesters. UCU called the University ‘institutionally transphobic’ because of this.

The University were fined because of clear ‘positive discrimination’ in favour of trans and non-binary people.

This judgment has taken over 1,224 days since the investigation started. They weren’t short of money until the astonishing drop in international students they saw this academic year. The fine was originally calculated at £2.7m using an OfS calculation formula linked to their qualifying income in 23/24 of £232m. It has been reduced to an affordable level that is meant to ensure the institution don’t make the same mistakes again.

FFS. You can expand on that over pre-match beer.....hang on.....hang on....maybe...not

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

R4 covered that story for years. Disgusting treatment of Kathleen Stock, a lifelong feminist, shut down by mob rule.

It turns out this is only part of the story. Read @Hugo Rune 's post.
In a nutshell, a lifelong lesbian who does not recognize Trans rights.

This 'discussion' reminds me of the 'discussion' about legalizing homosexuality in the 6os.
'The want it legalized? Next they will want to make it compulsory'.
'They will prey on our children'.
'Anyway, they are all perverts'.

I am relaxed about all this being politicized.
But I object to it being weaponized.
And yet....it isn't really.
The people shouting seem to be largely shouting in a tiny echo chamber.
And when they are challenged they don't know what to say.
Oh well

 

[Hugo Rune]

FFS. You can expand on that over pre-match beer.....hang on.....hang on....maybe...not

I’m hoping that knee has got one more match in it at least!!

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I’m hoping that knee has got one more match in it at least!!

I'll message you tomorrow. Took most of the day to explain to N how to download his ticket

 

[NorthstandRacoon]

That Uni Is full of very left wing types who are so far up their own arse they can't see the light of day. Not surprised in the slightest. I'm with the lady who has common sense on the whole issue.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

That Uni Is full of very left wing types who are so far up their own arse they can't see the light of day. Not surprised in the slightest. I'm with the lady who has common sense on the whole issue.

Which lady would that be? The militant lesbian or.....?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

This is what a threat to women looks like.

And where is the clamour about the fact that this piece of shit was out after 4 (four) years?

Ask for Angela: Daughter wants more to be done to protect women

Angela Crompton's daughter has been speaking to the BBC about her life and the campaign in her name.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Weststander]

This is what a threat to women looks like.

And where is the clamour about the fact that this piece of shit was out after 4 (four) years?

Ask for Angela: Daughter wants more to be done to protect women

Angela Crompton's daughter has been speaking to the BBC about her life and the campaign in her name.

www.bbc.co.uk

When these cases or similar get mentioned on nsc (and elsewhere), fairly often …. but a couple of years ago someone argued they shouldn’t be because it should be a football board …. I thought the consensus was these cnts should have extremely long prison sentences.

One or two will claim prison shouldn’t be about punishment, let’s copy Norway. Thankfully sentencing in the UK for odious stuff like rape , killing, killing through driving has definitely increased markedly over 30 years.

 

[BadFish]

This is what a threat to women looks like.

And where is the clamour about the fact that this piece of shit was out after 4 (four) years?

Ask for Angela: Daughter wants more to be done to protect women

Angela Crompton's daughter has been speaking to the BBC about her life and the campaign in her name.

www.bbc.co.uk

I was unaware of this case, how the f*** does this piece of shit get away with manslaughter!!!

 

[Curious Orange]

I was unaware of this case, how the f*** does this piece of shit get away with manslaughter!!!

Astonishing that it was only manslaughter, given the overview in that article. I wonder what evidence persuaded the jury?