[News] Hamas/Gaza/Israel

Zeberdi · Feb 11, 2024

knocky1 said:
Fascism. Kill.

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One of my most favourite paintings - Picasso’s Guernica commissioned as a protest against Franco - an incredibly powerful painting depicting the horrors of a city being bombarded, ‘inspired‘ by the subsequent aerial bombing of Guernica by the Nazis - saw it in Madrid many years ago. Quite apt.

While Picasso was living in Nazi-occupied Paris during World War II, one German officer allegedly asked him, upon seeing a photo of Guernica in his apartment, "Did you do that?" Picasso responded, "No, you did."

More widely, it has come to represent the horrors of war (and yes, @aolstudios it is also apt imagery for 7/10 too)

NorthstandRacoon · Feb 11, 2024

aolstudios said:
Putting aside your disgusting racism (again) - & the fact that no Israel would mean the annihilation of Jews in the area they're indigenous to.
The world would actually be a safer place if a significant amount of islamic regimes & organisations weren't utterly committed to killing all Jews, regardless of circumstances. Anything the modern state of Israel does is irrelevant to this & always has been

Eeerrrr we pretty much placed them there after WW2, splitting up the region. Imagine if we suddenly had a whole Muslim or better still, Catholic country shoved in the Midlands against all if the UKs civilians wishes post WW2, it would cause the same issues. No, not justifying the the disgusting islamic extremism, which do need wiping out, but I am also wanting people to look at the bigger picture here. Israel, are ****s. Hamas, are ****s. Those poor poor Gazans. Those poor poor Israeli families. But Israels reaction is genocide. Pro Palestine here. Just let them live peacefully without Hamas. NOT Israel run.

aolstudios · Feb 11, 2024

NorthstandRacoon said:
Eeerrrr we pretty much placed them there after WW2, splitting up the region. Imagine if we suddenly had a whole Muslim or better still, Catholic country shoved in the Midlands against all if the UKs civilians wishes post WW2, it would cause the same issues. No, not justifying the the disgusting islamic extremism, which do need wiping out, but I am also wanting people to look at the bigger picture here. Israel, are ****s. Hamas, are ****s. Those poor poor Gazans. Those poor poor Israeli families. But Israels reaction is genocide. Pro Palestine here. Just let them live peacefully without Hamas. NOT Israel run.

We didn't place them. They were already there. Had been for thousands of years. We just gave them a state to make it less likely they'd be regularly massacred

sydney · Feb 11, 2024

knocky1 said:
Death and destruction about to peak as Israel tear Rafah apart.
Got a random letter from the House of Commons today from old matey Peter Kyle. He wants me to know that he is working with Labour Councillors to ensure that local consultations will see whether we get more bicycle hangars taking up street car parking or not. Why's he told me that?
No wonder he had no time to plea for Palestinian lives. A busy man oblivious to slaughter.

an indication of what a pack of arse hats these people are.

NorthstandRacoon · Feb 11, 2024

aolstudios said:
We didn't place them. They were already there. Had been for thousands of years. We just gave them a state to make it less likely they'd be regularly massacred

We draw up more land for them, cutting up Palestine.

On May 14, 1948, David Ben-Gurion, the head of the Jewish Agency, proclaimed the establishment of the State of Israel. U.S. President Harry S. Truman recognized the new nation on the same day. … The UK was part of this. All in history and is FACT. We should be stepping in here and STOPPING the genocide and make steps for peace.

sydney · Feb 11, 2024

aolstudios said:
We didn't place them. They were already there. Had been for thousands of years. We just gave them a state to make it less likely they'd be regularly massacred

the situation has morphed into something else now , a very important part of real estate on a global level being fought for by proxy combatants from the East and West , what is happening now is modern day genocide and now with the Jews attacking Rafa the slaughter continues....it's indefensible.

sydney · Feb 11, 2024

NorthstandRacoon said:
We draw up more land for them, cutting up Palestine.

On May 14, 1948, David Ben-Gurion, the head of the Jewish Agency, proclaimed the establishment of the State of Israel. U.S. President Harry S. Truman recognized the new nation on the same day. … The UK was part of this. All in history and is FACT. We should be stepping in here and STOPPING the genocide and make steps for peace.

British army were in Palestine to facilitate the procurement of land and establishment of the new homeland, my old man said that at least during the war you knew who the enemy was , it was the first time that him and his commando unit came across booby trapped prams with crying babies in.

NorthstandRacoon · Feb 11, 2024

aolstudios said:
We didn't place them. They were already there. Had been for thousands of years. We just gave them a state to make it less likely they'd be regularly massacred

Also, similar thing. We helped give them land.

sydney said:
British army were in Palestine to facilitate the procurement of land and establishment of the new homeland, my old man said that at least during the war you knew who the enemy was , it was the first time that him and his commando unit came across booby trapped prams with crying babies in.

Bloody hell, scary.

NorthstandRacoon · Feb 11, 2024

sydney said:
the situation has morphed into something else now , a very important part of real estate on a global level being fought for by proxy combatants from the East and West , what is happening now is modern day genocide and now with the Jews attacking Rafa the slaughter continues....it's indefensible.

Spot on. Those who don’t see that are 100% just anti Muslim/Palestine.

Talby · Feb 11, 2024

aolstudios said:
Assume you're applying that to October 7th too?

That was extremism.

borat · Feb 11, 2024

knocky1 said:
Death and destruction about to peak as Israel tear Rafah apart.
Got a random letter from the House of Commons today from old matey Peter Kyle. He wants me to know that he is working with Labour Councillors to ensure that local consultations will see whether we get more bicycle hangars taking up street car parking or not. Why's he told me that?
No wonder he had no time to plea for Palestinian lives. A busy man oblivious to slaughter.

He's chair of Labour Friends of Israel which tells you all you need to know about his lack of criticism...

aolstudios · Feb 12, 2024

Talby said:
That was extremism.

As opposed to?..

:J) · Feb 12, 2024

Harry Wilson's tackle said:
Like an MP from Sussex has any say with mad Bibi

I disagree.

Sure, an individual won’t persuade a foreign power to stop what they’re doing. But he had a vote as an MP to make a difference, and he chose to follow the party-line of abstaining on a ceasefire. So practically all Tories and Labour (with a few notable exceptions) gave Bibi the green light to continue the onslaught, along with the US and most of the EU (again with some exceptions). Making us complicit.

With issues such as these - you need to speak out, and as far as I’m aware the Honourable Member for Hove hasn’t been critical of the Israeli government at all, and has defended them every step of the way.

Nobby Cybergoat · Feb 12, 2024

:J) said:
I disagree.

Sure, an individual won’t persuade a foreign power to stop what they’re doing. But he had a vote as an MP to make a difference, and he chose to follow the party-line of abstaining on a ceasefire. So practically all Tories and Labour (with a few notable exceptions) gave Bibi the green light to continue the onslaught, along with the US and most of the EU (again with some exceptions). Making us complicit.

With issues such as these - you need to speak out, and as far as I’m aware the Honourable Member for Hove hasn’t been critical of the Israeli government at all, and has defended them every step of the way.

International pressure, even from Biden is not having much effect. Netanhayu has gone balls in, more for his own political survival than anything.

But yes, the Labour position has been a cock up. But I sort of understand the reasons why. Everything. Absolutely everything is subordinated to the imperative to neutralise tory / tabloid attack lines. They have to win to make a difference. The time to judge them is after they have done.

I'd like Labour and Conservatives to agree a common policy on foreign policy situations like Gaza and Ukraine. Last thing we need is bickering over people's lives

drew · Feb 12, 2024

aolstudios said:
We didn't place them. They were already there. Had been for thousands of years. We just gave them a state to make it less likely they'd be regularly massacred

The vast majority moved there after 1948. In 1919 there were apparently 56k Jews living in the region and that increased to 650k immediately before the declaration of the state of Israel. There were double that number of Palestinians who had also been living there for thousands of years. And there were of course Arabs and Christians also living in the area.

drew · Feb 12, 2024

:J) said:
I disagree.

Sure, an individual won’t persuade a foreign power to stop what they’re doing. But he had a vote as an MP to make a difference, and he chose to follow the party-line of abstaining on a ceasefire. So practically all Tories and Labour (with a few notable exceptions) gave Bibi the green light to continue the onslaught, along with the US and most of the EU (again with some exceptions). Making us complicit.

With issues such as these - you need to speak out, and as far as I’m aware the Honourable Member for Hove hasn’t been critical of the Israeli government at all, and has defended them every step of the way.

Think you've made the mistake of thinking people can only deal with one thing at time. Everything in the world doesn't stop because of this conflict!!

:J) · Feb 12, 2024

Nobby Cybergoat said:
International pressure, even from Biden is not having much effect. Netanhayu has gone balls in, more for his own political survival than anything.

But yes, the Labour position has been a cock up. But I sort of understand the reasons why. Everything. Absolutely everything is subordinated to the imperative to neutralise tory / tabloid attack lines. They have to win to make a difference. The time to judge them is after they have done.

I'd like Labour and Conservatives to agree a common policy on foreign policy situations like Gaza and Ukraine. Last thing we need is bickering over people's lives

No, not for me squire. Labour are done. Enough pandering to the right, and right wing talking points. I want them to drag the focus of political discussion to the left. No more of this NEO-liberalism nonsense. You say: “make a difference”, but I can’t see all that much to tell them apart. But that’s just me, I guess.

And your last point! So you want zero difference between the two major parties? No differences of opinion are allowed? No alternative viewpoints? Similar to North Korea - but instead of just Kim Jung Un, we also have his uncle Fred, and we get to choose between them every five years.

:J) · Feb 12, 2024

drew said:
Think you've made the mistake of thinking people can only deal with one thing at time. Everything in the world doesn't stop because of this conflict!!

It certainly doesn’t. But one of the original reasons for not agreeing a ceasefire was supposedly to ensure security for the entire world. Not sure if that’s going to go to plan.

Harry Wilson's tackle · Feb 12, 2024

:J) said:
I disagree.

Sure, an individual won’t persuade a foreign power to stop what they’re doing. But he had a vote as an MP to make a difference, and he chose to follow the party-line of abstaining on a ceasefire. So practically all Tories and Labour (with a few notable exceptions) gave Bibi the green light to continue the onslaught, along with the US and most of the EU (again with some exceptions). Making us complicit.

With issues such as these - you need to speak out, and as far as I’m aware the Honourable Member for Hove hasn’t been critical of the Israeli government at all, and has defended them every step of the way.

OK, you may feel complicit. I don't.

Anyway all the parties even Cameron are calling for a ceasefire now, are they not? They can now all feel super virtuous, while Bibi carries on with the slaughter.

Not sure anyone is defending Bibi and co every step of the way..... Have I not asked you a million billion times to not exaggerate? Perhaps not.

I know we all want this to stop but venting at an opposition party MP from Hove is ludicrous. I loath Sunk and gang but it would be churlish even to blame our tiny and bad tempered PM for the genocide, let alone an opposition MP.

Nobby Cybergoat · Feb 12, 2024

:J) said:
I want them to drag the focus of political discussion to the left.

What do you think would be the outcome of this at the election?

Sorry I know this isn't a political thread.

I also think there are some situations where we do as a nation need to present a united front. Ukraine and Gaza are two examples

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