Blue Valkyrie
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How do we get out of paying the rest of his contract if we "release him" ?
If we can't get out of paying him then why bother to terminate his contract ?
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[Albion] Jose Izquerdo
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If we can't get out of paying him then why bother to terminate his contract ?
Sounds like either horseshit or just completely ****ing absurd.
Anyway, it's been suggested about 10-20 times in this thread that he might not have been fully fit when he played his last round of league of games. He was injured for about six months prior to that and since playing those games - according to plenty of people on here clearly not fully fit - he's been out for about 18 months. While there's no definite proof, it sure looks like it was a very bad idea to play those games in the 18/19 season.
No one has previously suggested that the Club Potentially cost the lad his Career.
And nothing is " horseshit " in my post
If we follow you continued insistence in the same stance. Where do we go with the Club continuing with Adam Llallana and playing him . After all. He keeps breaking down every time he comes back from injury.
Do you take the same view that he is not getting proper Medical Assessments either before he is passed fit to play or do you feel that the Club are being reckless with his career as well by playing him ?
Why are you putting capital letters in weird places?
Anyway, plenty have suggested that he wasnt fit and shouldnt have played and while I guess its not the same as saying that the club played dice with his career, its in the same ballpark.
Lallana have about five years of injury troubles behind him. His body is obviously not capable of playing elite football on a regular basis. But being 33 years old in May, this is unlikely to change. There's nothing to save him for. When he is out, he is out - too bad. When he is fit, he is a good player but realistically speaking both GP, the medical staff and Adam himself know by now that there is always a chance he needs to be taken off and that his chances of staying fit for extended periods are slim. He is a bonus player, creaming out the last of his present football abilities is more important than his long-term playing career.
AZ Gull
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Pay his contract up, let him waste some other clubs resources getting "fit". If he stays here we'll have to pay wages and medical costs, let's just terminate contract and save some money on medical bills.
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Unbelievable. Time to bin him off
Yup, all players must be insured or they are not allowed to play iirc. No insurance expert so got no idea if it covers all of the costs for the whole duration or how it works, think its different deals for different clubs (and maybe players). If injured on international duty, FIFA pay the costs.
blockhseagull
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Even if the ‘club’ maybe at fault for his injury ?
Not suggesting that's wrong but insuring the likes of Lallana and Welbeck? I can't imagine an underwriter taking it on. Wonder if it's club or player that pays the premium?
You know why I am putting Capital Letters where I am putting them all to well because you are skipping repeating the same Terminology you initially used.
As for Llallana. You say " nothing to save him for "
How about him maybe being able to walk properly for the rest of his life after he retires from football ?
In both cases the Medical Staff are very competent. They will have assessed the players and advised them if they think there are any risks to playing and between the Medical Team and the players themselves. They come to the final decision on playing or not playing.
Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo
Waxing chumps like candles since ‘75
- Oct 4, 2003
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As I understand it there are two separate insurances. Clubs will take out insurance to protect their investment in players, be it paying wages etc if a player is injured or an amount payable if the players career ends, based on transfer value etc. Players take insurance to protect themselves against career ending injuries and loss of income that would lead to. Obviously premiums will change depending on players age, transfer value, wage and previous injuries.
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Walking this, walking that. If he wanted to walk properly he should have retired five years ago. A lot of ex-players have a lot of pain when they get older. Guesswork as I'm no doctor but its not unbelievable that the ship sailed for Lallana a few years ago. Its a downside with the job of being a footballer. The upside is that they often have a decent savings account and are able to Frankenstein the shit out of their worst issues.
I have no idea if the medical staff are competent and I won't take your word for it because I'm pretty sure you have no idea either, but it wouldnt surprise me if they are indeed competent. But they are also humans and if staff & player are pushing to make a comeback as quickly as possible I'm not sure how much power they have. They could have said "you should wait..." and Iziquierdo might have said "but I feel ready" and Chris might have said "help me Graham Potter is chasing me and TB is polishing his boot".
Either way, we'll probably know by the time his career is over, surely he will get questions about his long injury. Lets see if he says "playing in the 18/19 season was a great career move" or if its something he regrets. Facts remain that he was injured for a long while, came back and then was injured for a very, very long while and that its not completely alien to wonder if those things are connected somehow.
That makes sense. I assume though that when you get those with a track record like these two fellas then clubs may well offer the deal on the basis that pay is reduced/not paid in the event of injury rather than incurring huge premiums.
Football injury management and science have moved on a bit in recent year haven't they . . . likewise, they're paid so much now they can afford a week or two off. We were coached ( used loosely) by Mel Hopkins as kids, playing for Shoreham boys club. He was the classic example of cortisone injections to play through the pain . . . . .to earn a decent living and keep himself in the side. . .seeing him in later retired life walking through Shoreham with 2 walking sticks was sad.
Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo
Waxing chumps like candles since ‘75
- Oct 4, 2003
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Obviously I don't know the ins and outs of anyone's contract but they may well have incentive based deals, bonuses paid on number of appearances etc, but they'll still be entitled to their basic weekly wage even when injured, this is what the club would look to cover. I can't begin to imagine what a premium would look like for covering the weekly wage of a fit premier league player, let alone what one would be for someone with a poor injury record. It may be the case at some point that the premiums just aren't worth it for the club and they'll absorb the risk themselves.
Mo Gosfield
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- Aug 11, 2010
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I find your posts on the subject extremely '' Flippant ' in suggesting that the Medical Staff have been less professional in not having the final say with both these players of when they are OR are not fit to play. And the point above in relation Llallana - Quite frankly I find it disgusting that you feel that the Medical Team would be so remiss as to continue to let him play and continue to do further damage to himself, just because The Owner of the Club or his Manager want him to play. And that the player himself just has to accept it as collateral damage and par for the course because he is remunerated well.