[Music] Musical Geniuses

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METALMICKY

Well-known member
Jan 30, 2004
6,168
The word genius being liberally sprinkled around. Ridiculously so.

Everyone taking the conversation as a chance to name a musician they like.
This big time. You almost purposefully need to look beyond your favourites and throw in key issues such as did they bring something unique to the musical table that had not been seen before. Has their music stood the test of time and how many records have they sold.

On that basis I will go for the following :

The Beatles
Jimi Hendrix
Elvis
Led Map

And of those the only one I personally like is Hendrix
 






GREASED WEASEL

New member
Dec 10, 2017
2,893
This big time. You almost purposefully need to look beyond your favourites and throw in key issues such as did they bring something unique to the musical table that had not been seen before. Has their music stood the test of time and how many records have they sold.

Cliff Richard ?
 




lawros left foot

Glory hunting since 1969
Jun 11, 2011
13,760
Worthing
When it comes to music, I do think that the ‘biggest’ acts in the World have a totally unique sound. Maybe unique is the wrong word, what I mean is that if you hear a song by Queen, for instance, that you have never heard before, you immediately know it’s Queen.
They just don’t sound like anyone else, U2, are the same,as is The Stones, The Beatles, Springsteen, Bowie, The Beach Boys Dylan,etc.

This post is not an endorsement of all of the above acts, I’m not saying they’re the best, just the biggest.
 












Sirnormangall

Well-known member
Sep 21, 2017
2,992
Is/was

Edward Ka-Spel
Peter Hammill
Prince
Todd Rundgren
Laura Nyro
George Michael
Bowie
Hendrix
Brian Wilson
Bryan Erickson
George Martin (tee hee)
Bill Leeb
Billy McKenzie
Ferry Corsten
Phil Spector
Big Joe Turner
Dusty Springfield
Stevie Wonder
Tom Shear
Frank Zappa
Mark E. Smith
John Mclaughlin
Robert Smith
Vince Clarke
Steven Wilson
Richard Sinclair
Robert Wyatt
Jeff Beck
Leslie West
David Sylvian
Lee Perry
Steve Jones
Ivor Cutler
Bob Marley
Prince Far I
Siouxie
Stanislav Martensitov (Fraunhofer Diffraction)
Rory Gallagher
Joseph Saddler (Grand Master Flash)
Don Van Vleit (Captain Beefhart)
Steely Dan (I'm dodging bands but here the sum is better than the parts, so)
10cc (ditto)
Graham Gouldman of 10cc (special mention for his writing)
Arthur Brown
Robert Fripp
Elizabeth Fraser
Peter Hook
Back Door (another band, my bad)
Andy LaPlegua (Icon of Coil and several other bands)
Adrian Hates
Tom Waites
Richard D James (Aphex Twin)
Declan McManus (Elvis Costello)
Paul Weller
Cool Keith (Dr Octagon)
Alan Stivell
Martin Carthy
Daniel Myer and Dejan Samardzic (Haujobb)
The Doors
John Baine (Attila the Stockbroker)

I could go on and normally would.

I can wax lyrically in justification of all these (innovation, longevity, sincerity etc) but it boils down to personal taste though, innit?
I think we all knew this would be the longest and probably most complete list! I’d just like to add Bill Nelson (Be Bop Deluxe fame) and Martin Turner (Wishbone Ash) as my own personal geniuses
 






AmexRuislip

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Feb 2, 2014
33,904
Ruislip
Bit harsh there. Chas Hodges was an accomplished musician who played with many great bands in the 60's and 70's, And they wrote the Sideboard song after a visit to The Red Lion, Ashington.
And the Quo are.... Well, just THE QUO.

Just cannot see the genius IMO :thumbsup:
 


jakarta

Well-known member
May 25, 2007
15,640
Sullington
Is/was

Edward Ka-Spel
Peter Hammill
Prince
Todd Rundgren
Laura Nyro
George Michael
Bowie
Hendrix
Brian Wilson
Bryan Erickson
George Martin (tee hee)
Bill Leeb
Billy McKenzie
Ferry Corsten
Phil Spector
Big Joe Turner
Dusty Springfield
Stevie Wonder
Tom Shear
Frank Zappa
Mark E. Smith
John Mclaughlin
Robert Smith
Vince Clarke
Steven Wilson
Richard Sinclair
Robert Wyatt
Jeff Beck
Leslie West
David Sylvian
Lee Perry
Steve Jones
Ivor Cutler
Bob Marley
Prince Far I
Siouxie
Stanislav Martensitov (Fraunhofer Diffraction)
Rory Gallagher
Joseph Saddler (Grand Master Flash)
Don Van Vleit (Captain Beefhart)
Steely Dan (I'm dodging bands but here the sum is better than the parts, so)
10cc (ditto)
Graham Gouldman of 10cc (special mention for his writing)
Arthur Brown
Robert Fripp
Elizabeth Fraser
Peter Hook
Back Door (another band, my bad)
Andy LaPlegua (Icon of Coil and several other bands)
Adrian Hates
Tom Waites
Richard D James (Aphex Twin)
Declan McManus (Elvis Costello)
Paul Weller
Cool Keith (Dr Octagon)
Alan Stivell
Martin Carthy
Daniel Myer and Dejan Samardzic (Haujobb)
The Doors
John Baine (Attila the Stockbroker)

I could go on and normally would.

I can wax lyrically in justification of all these (innovation, longevity, sincerity etc) but it boils down to personal taste though, innit?

Can't disagree with the above but where is Brian Eno?
 










studio150

Well-known member
Jul 30, 2011
29,702
On the Border
It seems to me, that many of the names listed, while good would not fall into the category of genius.

For me to be considered as a musical genius the artist would need to tick all (or virtually all) of

Writes all (or almost all) of their recorded output
Multi instrumentalist, or considered one of the top 3 performers of one instrument
Length of output
Comfortable in many genres of music, and output sound changes across time
Sought out by other artists to add to record, or for production duties
At the forefront of a new style


The one big omission in the names listed so far, is for producers.
Yes HWT (correctly included) Phil Spector and George Martin, I'm really surprised that Joe Meek has not been included given he was a pioneer and most of the time working in a flat above a shop.
Also given their influence over the 70s and 80s should Nicky Chinn and Mike Chapman also should be included.

And in terms of artists (yet to be listed) I would put forward Nick Lowe (performer, writer, producer) and Andy Partridge (an influence on many)
 








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