[Politics] Brexit

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Brexit court bid rejected

 

[Thunder Bolt]

That's not the way I read those two tweets. I think the judge is basically saying 'let's not bother wasting time with the preliminaries of deciding whether or not to hear the case, and then hearing it - let's do the whole thing in one go, and you can have an extra few days to prepare, and it will still be done before Parliament is suspended'.

Yes, you're right. The original hearing was 6th September and has been brought forward by 3 days. Thanks for pointing that out.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Not when it's framed as a statement which is incorrect, no. But then life itself generally doesn't let people say incorrect things and get away with it all the time (except in Government, obviously).

Speaking of incorrect statements do you still think Gina Miller voted Leave?

 

[pb21]

If that rumour turns out to be true it would be hilarious

On the one hand it would be funny, heads would explode, on the other I don't believe it at all.

As much as I think being in the EU is a good thing overall, we should, and currently are, able to unilaterally leave the EU when we want.

 

[Mellotron]

Beaking news

Brexit court bid rejected

Not quite - simply no official response today and a full hearing set next week.

Hearing has been brought forward from next Friday (6th) to Tuesday (3rd). Boris Johnson is expected to submit written reasons for the prorogation, if this fails to materialise he will be asked to come in and speak under oath.

A further, separate hearing with Gina Miller & John Major is set for Thursday.

 

[Mellotron]

“This verdict means a full hearing has been fast-tracked to next week, which is now the most important week in modern British history.

“It is disappointing that we have to go to the courts to protect British democracy, but Boris Johnson’s attempt to silence the people’s representatives cannot go unchallenged.

“As well as this legal battle in the Court of Session, the campaign against a no-deal Brexit will also take place in the House of Commons.

“We must work tirelessly, across all parties and none, to fight against the devastation of a no-deal Brexit, fight for our democracy, and fight for the people to have a final say on Brexit.”

 

[A1X]

Interesting comment from Gordon Brown. Basically, if the EU extend the date, and we do go out with no deal, then Johnson cannot blame the EU because it will be his decision and his alone.

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All well and good except for one thing, the EU cannot unilaterally extend the exit date. It has to be agreed between the EU and the UK.

 

[A1X]

Boris Johnson is expected to submit written reasons for the prorogation, if this fails to materialise he will be asked to come in and speak under oath.

Well that's him ****ed then, isn't it?

 

[WATFORD zero]

On the one hand it would be funny, heads would explode, on the other I don't believe it at all.

As much as I think being in the EU is a good thing overall, we should, and currently are, able to unilaterally leave the EU when we want.

I agree completely.

But if that happened, it would be Johnson's decision alone. Nothing to do with the EU. Who could the Leavers blame for the complete clusterf*** then ?

 

[Mellotron]

Well that's him ****ed then, isn't it?

Exactly.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

It wasn't. We were already part of CAP.

The question was:

Do you think that the United Kingdom should stay in the European Community (the Common Market)?

Nothing about the European union where did that morph out of ? Oh but we did keep sterling LEAVE MEANS LEAVE
Regards
DX

 

[A1X]

Exactly.

I honestly didn't think a politician being in that sort of trouble would ever be funnier than Jeffrey Archer's was, but if he ends up being had up for it...

 

[WATFORD zero]

All well and good except for one thing, the EU cannot unilaterally extend the exit date. It has to be agreed between the EU and the UK.

But if they offered an extension, then it would be Johnson's decision and his alone, to go 'no deal'. No one else for the Leavers to blame for the complete clusterf*** that would entail.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Still claiming to know what someone thinks, believes and wants. #Arrogant

Pompous ****
regards
DF

 

[Mellotron]

Nothing about the European union where did that morph out of ? Oh but we did keep sterling LEAVE MEANS LEAVE
Regards
DX

Stop shouting. It's 11am in the morning. Why are you so angry all the time?

 

[Mellotron]

“The Scottish Government will be bringing a debate to the Scottish Parliament next week calling for a no deal Brexit to be ruled out under all circumstances.”

If this comes to pass in Westminster also, Johnson will be forced to seek an extension.

 

[pb21]

I agree completely.

But if that happened, it would be Johnson's decision alone. Nothing to do with the EU. Who could the Leavers blame for the complete clusterf*** then ?

I see, yes you are right.

The EU could just say "we are happy to extend for another 3/6 months etc. in order to avoid no deal, do you want this?".

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Not quite - simply no official response today and a full hearing set next week.

Hearing has been brought forward from next Friday (6th) to Tuesday (3rd). Boris Johnson is expected to submit written reasons for the prorogation, if this fails to materialise he will be asked to come in and speak under oath.

A further, separate hearing with Gina Miller & John Major is set for Thursday.

That can't be the very same John Major who prorogued parliament back in 1997 arguably for political reasons, can it?

https://www.theyworkforyou.com/debates/?id=1997-03-18a.719.2#g719.5

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

I expect most MP's now have two email folders labelled 'remain campaign' and 'leave campaign'. More regular/vociferous campaigners correspondence probably gets classified as spam.

I was surprised to see your favourite publication managed to provide a balanced article on the latest developments. You probably missed it.

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ament-brexit-prorogue-mps-alternative-no-deal

Thanks for this. Yes, I did miss it but I've seen Bogdanor interviewed so its contents were no great surprise. Of course, as one would expect from such a distinguished contributor, he makes some valid points. But I think he is rather 'soft' on the current Cabinet's position when he says that all but 2 of them have at some time voted for a previous deal and therefore cannot be blamed for pursuing a no deal option; we know that at times some have also voted against one of the previous deals and have been quite happy to shoehorn us into a no deal situation.

He is also unduly critical I think of the likely aim of the majority (?) of MPs' aspirations to defer/delay Brext (yet again). Yes. as he says, it isn't a policy as such, but


a) it gives breathing space (if only to prepare better for a no deal)

b) it gives the chance to avoid the cliff-edge no deal which every sane person knows will bring its own horrors (sorry, 'bumps in the road')


but mainly


c) even if Johnson was serious in his quest for a deal before the 31/10 and even if he got one there's surely no way that deal would be set up for 01/11. For practical purposes there would have to be a roll-over of current arrangements - which is a de facto extension in itself. Either way Johnson is a snake-oil salesman, as either he has all along been determined to go out on a no deal (despite all the flimflam about a million to one against) OR he knows that if he gets a deal at that late stage we'll be in effect remaining in the EU during an adjustment (or call it what you will) period. We can only be truly (and horribly, for some of us) 'out' with a no deal.


Of course I could be wrong and BJ might pull off a miracle - a deal with no transition and can be plugged in a zero notice. (And then he would have to sell it to his ERG pals.)


I'd have expected someone of the writer's pedigree to observe that we have a PM who has so far I believe only appeared once or twice in the Commons to facilitate accountability and now plans to avoid any further accountability for 4/5 weeks. And this on the basis of the votes of a tiny proportion of the electorate. Now that's what I call a democratic deficit.


PS I'd avoid that rag if I were you

 

[Mellotron]

That can't be the very same John Major who prorogued parliament back in 1997 arguably for political reasons, can it?

https://www.theyworkforyou.com/debates/?id=1997-03-18a.719.2#g719.5

So it was wrong then but ok now? Not sure what your point is. He did a bad thing, now he's doing a good thing. That's good.

Why are you so anti-democracy?