[Politics] Brexit

[Baldseagull]

Sodick Europe Opens New HQ in UK

https://mtdmfg.com/news/sodick-europe-opens-new-hq-in-uk/

Sodick has demonstrated its belief in the UK as a key location in Europe and that, with or without Brexit, the UK, and particularly the Midlands, remains at the heart of advanced manufacturing.

My window cleaner has taken a lad on too. All is well.

 

[Baldseagull]

10,000 job cuts worldwide. This is all the more reason to start manufacturing our own products again, because there isn't any loyalty when it comes to foreign owned business.

You know Sodick, the one with a workshop in Warwick, are a Japanese company right?

 

[Baldseagull]

Leave means leave .

Genius, why hasn't this argument been made before? Thread may as well end now.

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

Saw Nicolas Soames - old style, Tory grandee, endangered species - not happy with the choice of Cabinet. Thinks we could well be headed towards a government of national unity …………..

 

[Baldseagull]

I'd like to think any true Albion supporter would always target the Lib Dems as a dispicable party of liars regardless of that supporter's views on Brexit. Even more so if they happen to be a student at uni. Sadly some supporters have very short memories.

Some people are not so simplistic.

 

[ManOfSussex]

Saw Nicolas Soames - old style, Tory grandee, endangered species - not happy with the choice of Cabinet. Thinks we could well be headed towards a government of national unity …………..

This cabinet makes Thatcher's in the 1980's look like Mumsnet.

 

[Baldseagull]

No one is ' anti-immigration '...... we have had it for the whole of our history.
What no one factored in, was our political leaders deciding that, instead of a controlled and managed policy that resulted in roughly 30,000 per year coming in above the figure going out, they would allow complete, uncontrolled access to 500,000 to....name your figure.......coming in, unchecked for 15 years.
Fortunately, this policy was naturally followed by huge road-building schemes, numerous more schools, hospitals, surgeries, prisons etc all being built, all around the country, to help our infrastructure cope with this ever growing population. After all, only a raving lunatic would think that you could absorb all these people and not suffer any after effects, particularly as the majority gravitated towards London, the S.E and the major towns and cities, where there was the most work. The areas, of course, where there was already the most social pressure.

What we have not had for all of our history is a population that retires at 65 and lives into their 80's, and a low birth rate. You are correct about the lack of infrastructure planning though. If we need to build more "stuff" to accommodate the population growth through immigration, making ourselves poorer is not going to help.

 

[melias shoes]

Genius, why hasn't this argument been made before? Thread may as well end now.

It's possible that this thread will never end.

 

[Baldseagull]

Why should the Green Party step aside across the country? According to opinion polls, they're currently polling about three times their last GE vote, they did very well in the EU elections and made gains in council seats all over the UK - the best performing party, in fact.

I don't see any reason why, just as the party is permeating the national consciousness, it should give it all up

There is a good reason, if they believed that their most important aims would be carried by the Lib Dems, particularly a shift to a PR system of election. Greens should stand where they have the bigger vote share than the Lib Dems, and vice versa. Either that or announce an alliance for the next election, a joint Green/Lib Dem party but this would take a longer time to organise, as candidate selection from two pools for one place would be a negotiated process and involve differing criteria.

 

[clapham_gull]

This cabinet makes Thatcher's in the 1980's look like Mumsnet.

Quite incredible, look what happens when a major party gets taken over by its members.

 

[pastafarian]

The shared National values, which used to include a sense of fair play, sticking up for the under dog, respect for people of differing faith and ethnicity, have all come under attack from Farage and Johnson. Patriotism is abused by Farage and Johnson, and many people who did identify as British are taking Irish Passports if they can get them.
So this Benign Nationalism, which existed, has been taken and radicalised, so we have people like you, advocating taking a course of action that makes us weaker as a country, economically, politically and socially, and claiming to do it as a patriot. Are you really so unaware of what you have become?

I didnt vote to Leave the European union for benign nationalism reasons such as patriotism and shared British values, but good to see you say these traits exist or at least existed as forms of benign nationalism.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

The shared National values, which used to include a sense of fair play, sticking up for the under dog, respect for people of differing faith and ethnicity, have all come under attack from Farage and Johnson. Patriotism is abused by Farage and Johnson, and many people who did identify as British are taking Irish Passports if they can get them.
So this Benign Nationalism, which existed, has been taken and radicalised, so we have people like you, advocating taking a course of action that makes us weaker as a country, economically, politically and socially, and claiming to do it as a patriot. Are you really so unaware of what you have become?

The people who argue it's ok to ignore democratic results they don't like are certainly undermining our national values of fair play plus of course our democracy and the people dismissing the left behind, many who voted for Brexit, as thicky, gullible, racists don't seem to have much respect for the underdog. Forgive me if I don't accept a (rather defeatist) claim that the UK will inevitably be weaker from a committed Europhile and someone who has been promising me an imminent recession ever since the referendum vote. I also note our new PM has just appointed the most ethnically diverse cabinet ever.

 

[Baldseagull]

I didnt vote to Leave the European union for benign nationalism reasons such as patriotism and shared British values, but good to see you say these traits exist or at least existed as forms of benign nationalism.

I am sure there is nothing benign about your motives. Malignant is much more "you"

 

[Is it PotG?]

Saw Nicholas Soames - old style, Tory grandee, endangered species - not happy with the choice of Cabinet. Thinks we could well be headed towards a government of national unity …………..

Soames will certainly not be getting my vote in the October GE. Time the dinosaur moved on.

 

[Baldseagull]

The people who argue it's ok to ignore democratic results they don't like are certainly undermining our national values of fair play plus of course our democracy and the people dismissing the left behind, many who voted for Brexit, as thicky, gullible, racists don't seem to have much respect for the underdog. Forgive me if I don't accept a (rather defeatist) claim that the UK will inevitably be weaker from a committed Europhile and someone who has been promising me an imminent recession ever since the referendum vote. I also note our new PM has just appointed the most ethnically diverse cabinet ever.

If the case to vote leave were presented fairly, not bullshit and fear of muslims, you would have a point, but it wasn't was it?

QE from the BoE and an upturn in global economy averted the recession for now, but no deal Brexit is a nailed on downturn, might not make the technical standards of 2 consecutive quarters negative, but we will still have a lower GDP in the second quarter than before we left.
Compare UK growth since the referendum with EU average, and remember we are dragging the average down by being below it, take a look at EU v UK GDP before 2016. Look at the overall rates and see where being 1% behind the EU average would put us.
Regardless of whether you respect my opinion or not, you can't make a case for the opposite, that we will be stronger after Brexit, that stacks up, it's all just blind optimism with no grounding in reality.
Enjoy Middle Earth, I will stick with the real world.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Beautiful remainer collective meltdown thread. It really is fun reading.

Snow flakes melting in quick time
regards
DR

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

If the case to vote leave were presented fairly, not bullshit and fear of muslims, you would have a point, but it wasn't was it?

QE from the BoE and an upturn in global economy averted the recession for now, but no deal Brexit is a nailed on downturn, might not make the technical standards of 2 consecutive quarters negative, but we will still have a lower GDP in the second quarter than before we left.
Compare UK growth since the referendum with EU average, and remember we are dragging the average down by being below it, take a look at EU v UK GDP before 2016. Look at the overall rates and see where being 1% behind the EU average would put us.
Regardless of whether you respect my opinion or not, you can't make a case for the opposite, that we will be stronger after Brexit, that stacks up, it's all just blind optimism with no grounding in reality.
Enjoy Middle Earth, I will stick with the real world.

Yes ,the one that voted leave in the Referendum, no point running away from it
Regards
DR

 

[ManOfSussex]

I also note our new PM has just appointed the most ethnically diverse cabinet ever.

I also note that our new PM has just appointed the most privately educated cabinet since Sir John Major in 1992 - 64% of the cabinet v 7% of the UK population who have been.

45% of his cabinet went to Oxbridge, 69% went to Russell Group Uni's - I really bet they all know the price of beer when it's Monday Club at Wetherspoon's.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

**** off Nazi SCUM

And here's a Snowflake melting quick time
Regards
DR

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Some people are not so simplistic.

No just hypocrites, what a bunch of ***** the lib dems are riding under the banner of Democratic
Regards