[Politics] Brexit

[Baker lite]

All these little scraps of "good news" Ppf/Baker Lite keeps dredging up pale in comparison to the £500m a week Brexit is costing us.


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/29/britain-bill-brexit-hits-500-million-pounds-a-week


But then rabid Brexiteers like him have never been known for their grip on reality

Cheer up,it’s Friday,crack a smile,Life must be one long Morrisey song in your gaff.You only live once.






On our way.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

'Brave new world'
Or
'Clusterf**k'.

Airstrip One.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Perhaps if you actually read my replies to other posters on the subject of sending pallets into the EU after Brexit,you wouldn't appear quite so dense.
Meanwhile,everybody is waiting for the many questions posed to you without answer to be dealt with.Like the import duties on goods manufactured and sold within Great Britain,or the many WTO questions posed.You keep on telling us you're the expert.Perhaps if you cut back on the insults you might have time to answer people in a polite manner.If you have made mistakes,just be a man and own up to them,instead of behaving like a momentum troll.

So, one last go on your specialist subject - pallets

Where are the UK going to get the pallets needed to meet the EU standards after a 'no deal' brexit, given that none of the pallets currently used for exporting (either to the EU or to third party countries) currently meet those standards ?

And what was your question on import duties on goods manufactured in Great Britain (there aren't any) or WTO ?

 

[Is it PotG?]

So, one last go on your specialist subject - pallets

Where are the UK going to get the pallets needed to meet the EU standards after a 'no deal' brexit, given that none of the pallets currently used for exporting (either to the EU or to third party countries) currently meet those standards ?

And what was your question on import duties on goods manufactured in Great Britain (there aren't any) or WTO ?

Do you honestly think that the world is going to stop over wooden pallets, and whether or not they tick the necessary boxes? I'm sure pallet manufacturers have spotted this impending doom and disaster where we all might starve.

 

[vegster]

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It would have been handy and helpful to print the Duty Free allowances we are going to go back to on the reverse of the permit, good old days, 1 litre of Spirits or 6 bottles of wine and 200 fags...

 

[WATFORD zero]

Do you honestly think that the world is going to stop over wooden pallets, and whether or not they tick the necessary boxes? I'm sure pallet manufacturers have spotted this impending doom and disaster where we all might starve.

But that just sums up the whole total clusterf***, they spotted it and told DEFRA months ago. Unfortunately nothing has been done and Michael Gove has only just found out.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/no-deal-brexit-panic-after-ministers-realise-the-uk-doesnt-have-the-right-pallets-for-exporting-to-the-eu/ar-BBU5zZP

It's one of the many hundreds, if not thousands of minor issue which means 'no deal' won't happen. It really doesn't need a crystal ball anymore.

Surprisingly though, we seemed to have stumbled across Two Profs particular area of expertise and he tells us 'all is well'

 

[Is it PotG?]

It would have been handy and helpful to print the Duty Free allowances we are going to go back to on the reverse of the permit, good old days, 1 litre of Spirits or 6 bottles of wine and 200 fags...

With the price of tabs and supermarket plonk nowadays, do many actually drive the white van across and return fully laden with goodies?

 

[CHAPPERS]

Chris Grayling is doing a great job of eating in to the Brexit dividend isn't he.

 

[A1X]

You can vote to change our government, therefore, the Prime Minister you silly sausage. How do we vote out the EU Commission or any EU President?

Funny, I don't remember Theresa May being on my ballot paper the last time we had an election. Or Jeremy Corbyn come to that. In fact, who has voted for Theresa May to become Prime Minister? By my reckoning nobody did so, as Andrea Leadsom pulled out of the election. She didn't even win the only General Election she fought as PM. Yay democracy!

As for the democratic accountability of the EU, it is arguably more democratic than the UK. How do we get rid of the President or Commission? We vote for MEPs who hold an election into it, MEPs elected under proportional representation so are more representative of the people they represent than the UK Parliament is.

Here's a novel idea, how about we train enough Uk citizens and pay them a decent wage so we don't have to rely on stripping numerous countries across the globe for their medical staff.

Good idea. Training a nurse takes around four years, and costs thousands. How do you propose we get them all trained up in four weeks?

We had a Veto over the creation of the Eurozone and all the problems it has caused?

We had a veto on joining it. Last I checked we weren't in it, unless I'm wrong on that?

Artificially inflated food prices - Ever heard of the common agricultural policy? https://www.economicshelp.org/europe/disadvantages-cap/

I do know CAP thanks, however you haven't answered my question because while CAP might artificially inflate prices it is also tariff free. Are the increases under CAP greater than the 40% tariff on fresh food for a country under WTO rules?

Only 7%? Somewhere between 15 and 50% depending on the criteria https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/RP10-62 We also lose the most votes in the council of ministers ... on such minor matters as budget and Foreign/security policy.

https://ukandeu.ac.uk/explainers/does-the-uk-win-or-lose-in-the-council-of-ministers/

From your own link;

"One thing to note, though, is the very high level of agreement in the Council in both periods. Put the other way round, the UK voted on the winning side 97.4% of the time in 2004-09 period and 86.7% of the time in the 2009-15 period."

The other article was also interesting, it seems that most of them contain only a small element of EU alignment rather "the laws come from the EU" as is parroted. I was wondering which of the laws listed on pages 42-46 you most objected to? Also which you feel were railroaded through the Commons and not subjected to the required scrutiny and votes which all legislation is subject to, which I assume it must have been given you claim it somehow impinges on our sovereignty?

No contradiction see my answer to point three,

Actually there is a contradiction, you ignored the fact the UK can veto and be excluded from things it doesn't want to be included in when it suited and then pointed out that others can do the same. So either point 3 or this one is true, please pick one.

If a 'bank' lent money to a person who didn't meet the loan criteria, had a woeful history of defaults and let other people break its rules would you be happy if that bank's actions then lead to that person becoming destitute or killing themselves?

I wouldn't be happy about it, but that is a risk for the bank to take and a decision it has to make. It is, to be perfectly honest with you, none of my business. Every company you or I have ever dealt with will have a dubious history with someone at some point. What happened in Greece was not good but ultimately Greece was the one who was in the wrong, the EU is not there as a charity. Were it so then the people who use Greece as a tool to bash it with would be moaning about it mollycoddling failure and impinging on every other member recklessly. Not for the first time it seems a Brexiter wants to have their cake and eat it.

Rubbish ... the only person having the ultimate say on the negotiations has been the PM, Olly Robbins has more influence than all the hapless Brexit secretaries combined. They resigned because the PM diverged from her stated negotiating red lines and the Tory party manifesto ... rightly so.

How has the PM's deal reneged on her red lines or the manifesto? There is not a customs union in her deal, there is an end to free movement and a departure from the single market. The fact that many Brexiters in Government, even as recently as yesterday, flat out refuse to compromise in any way or engage with anything which in any way impinges on their vision speaks so much to their character, not just the Brexit secretaries but the likes of Boris Johnson and others. Sure, some are using it as a means to an end for their own advancement (the aforementioned Johnson doesn't care whether we leave or remain as long as he gets to be PM, for instance, he just has his wagon hitched to whatever train he thinks will get him there) but the fact is every time "Brexit" is written down it immediately disintegrates under any sort of scrutiny.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Another £33M down the pan. Eurotunnel took the government to court over not putting the 'ferry' contracts out to tender.

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[Is it PotG?]

Another £33M down the pan. Eurotunnel took the government to court over not putting the 'ferry' contracts out to tender.

Let's face facts, Mr Grayling's recent performances in several areas have left considerable scope for improvement.

 

[A1X]

I can only assume Chris Grayling makes a mean coffee in the office, it's literally the only excuse left as to why he hasn't gone. Well that and maybe May wants to keep someone around who looks more incompetent than she is?

 

[The Clamp]

Cheer up,it’s Friday,crack a smile,Life must be one long Morrisey song in your gaff.You only live once.






On our way.

I am perfectly cheery, thank you. Although Friday rarely means much to me as I work shifts.

I just like to temper your foolhardiness with a dose of reality here and there. It would be refreshing if you actually engaged in the debate rather than getting personal when you view is challenged. I suppose a name change doesn't change the person. Sticking feathers up your arse does not make you a chicken.

 

[vegster]

With the price of tabs and supermarket plonk nowadays, do many actually drive the white van across and return fully laden with goodies?

I have pals with a house in France and know that you can still get good table wine for about 2 Euro's a bottle out there, here it starts at around £5 a bottle for paint thinner...… I love my Belgian beers and go quite often to a beer warehouse south of Ypres and stock up. The beers are around a £1 a bottle there, they are £2.60 upwards in the UK, sometimes £3.99 a bottle and you will see them priced at £5.99 a bottle in the pubs that stock them.

 

[pastafarian]

*edit*
The only thing that has changed - 31 days

Have another go.
Try and read the question put to you and then read your reply again which does not answer the question, and is simply you, yet again, going off on a tangent and avoiding answering. Your answer does not provide a list of or link to the "default tariffs" the WTO produces itself and imposes on other countries.




"You still havnt come up with the list of or a link to the default tariffs the WTO produces itself and imposes on other countries.
Do you still need more time?
How much longer do you want?"



It's good that you have finally taken an interest in the way the WTO operates, even if it is nearly 3 years too late !

(And Meg always told me you were a shy 'no dealer' so I am glad that's been cleared up)



I'll do this slowly, so you can understand.

These rates are set by the UK 'as confirmed by Gove'

TRUE BUT IRRELEVANT AS OUR SCHEDULES WILL NOT BE PASSED IN 38 DAYS.

We can choose different rates across different product lines.

TRUE BUT IRRELEVANT AS OUR SCHEDULES WILL NOT BE PASSED IN 38 DAYS.

Tariff rate commitments, (both ceiling rate and applied rate) are decided by the UK, together with quotas (which will help explain to you why there are the two rates). This is a method of controlling volumes of imports.

TRUE BUT IRRELEVANT AS OUR SCHEDULES WILL NOT BE PASSED IN 38 DAYS.

I'll try one last time.

Because we don't have any agreed schedules, and will not have in 38 days we will use the WTO 'default tariffs'. There is only one default tariff, because there are no quotas and, therefor, no method of controlling volumes. The UK still has some control. By product, we can decide to charge the default tariff or not charge the default tariff. And whatever we decide applies to all WTO members under the Most-favoured-nation (MFN) rules.


You can keep wittering on with whataboutisms for ever more, but these are the simple facts.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Oh, dear Nigel. It looks like you can't run away, after all.

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[pastafarian]

The result was not to leave at any cost. The official Vote Leave campaign said we would leave with a deal. Ergo leaving without a deal is not what people voted for and as such undemocratic. The deal should have been sorted by now. It is borderline criminal that it has not been.

As for the rest of your drivel, I refer you to my earlier comment about borders and who picks the crops or works in the NHS.

You really should have read Article 50, its quite clear in it there is a two year timeline for negotiations from when notice is given. Hardly criminal acting within the parameters of a legal treaty.
Wanting immigration controls on EU nationals is not drivel, and I see you avoided the other part of the reply. What do you think happens if our goods schedule is uncertified?

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Perhaps if you actually read my replies to other posters on the subject of sending pallets into the EU after Brexit,you wouldn't appear quite so dense.
Meanwhile,everybody is waiting for the many questions posed to you without answer to be dealt with.Like the import duties on goods manufactured and sold within Great Britain,or the many WTO questions posed.You keep on telling us you're the expert.Perhaps if you cut back on the insults you might have time to answer people in a polite manner.If you have made mistakes,just be a man and own up to them,instead of behaving like a momentum troll.

This is a surprising post: when I asked you recently, very politely and with no asides, to confirm your opinion that individual EU countries could sign bilateral trade deals with the UK you flew off into a fantastic rage, accused me of calling you a moron, and told me to sling my hook.

 

[Mellotron]

question is why they cant just back it without another referendum.

Because they feel it’s fair that people get a say on Brexit now that we have any clue what Brexit might actually be?

 

[Baker lite]

I am perfectly cheery, thank you. Although Friday rarely means much to me as I work shifts.

I just like to temper your foolhardiness with a dose of reality here and there. It would be refreshing if you actually engaged in the debate rather than getting personal when you view is challenged. I suppose a name change doesn't change the person. Sticking feathers up your arse does not make you a chicken.

I would imagine sticking feathers up My April would make Me a pervert, what goes on behind your front door is your business but it’s not my bag.





On our cheery way.


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