How much of the problem is down to Tony Bloom?

[SIMMO SAYS]

Hiring Hyypia was obviously a mistake too, but an unforeseeable one. Can't blame him for that at all.

Who are we going to blame then

 

[Ernest]

Bloom's biggest mistake was either falling out with Gus Poyet, or hiring Paul Barber. They could well be related incidents.

Hiring Hyypia was obviously a mistake too, but an unforeseeable one. Can't blame him for that at all.

The hiring of Barber caused the fall out with Gus allegedly

 

[ewe2]

Bloom's biggest mistake was either falling out with Gus Poyet, or hiring Paul Barber. They could well be related incidents.

Hiring Hyypia was obviously a mistake too, but an unforeseeable one. Can't blame him for that at all.

I feel that Tony Bloom is either unable or unwilling to fund spiraling loses,and that is problem,for us the supporters.

 

[symyjym]

Bloom's biggest mistake was either falling out with Gus Poyet, or hiring Paul Barber. They could well be related incidents.

Hiring Hyypia was obviously a mistake too, but an unforeseeable one. Can't blame him for that at all.

He put all his eggs in Gus's basket. Mistakes were being made long before Barber got here.

For someone to have so much faith in someone and then fall out with them so badly can only mean that they made a massive error in trusting them in the first place.

If Bloom became unsure of decisions that Poyet made, he would have needed to bring someone in like Barber in to advise and protect.

 

[brighton bluenose]

The hiring of Barber caused the fall out with Gus allegedly

There is no 'allegedly' about it!
Due to Barber sacking Ramos and Poyet at Spurs Gus was not happy at Barbers appointment but said he would give it six months - this a a fact as told directly to me by Charlie Oatway! Barbers subsequent cost-cutting measures then just exacerbated not only the rift with Barber but ensured there was then a rift with Bloom and the club generally!
Even though we were in the play-off semis, had drawn with the scum at Selhurst who were there for the taking down here (after beating them convincingly at the Amex a few weeks before!) I am convinced that Poyet knew he wouldn't be our manager the next season and had fallen out with Bloom so badly that he deliberately didn't play to win in that last game against Palace and that is what lies behind his sacking!!

 

[British Bulldog]

I feel that Tony Bloom is either unable or unwilling to fund spiraling loses,and that is problem,for us the supporters.

In fairness one thing you can't throw at Tony Bloom is not willing to put money into the club, His biggest problem in my eyes is being blinkered in thinking the people he has running things are doing it right. I'll excuse Paul Barber because love him or loath him he appears to be doing a good job. But having Burke in charge of signings is not working despite his good work on the academy and having Hyypia in charge of the team is a disaster waiting to happen.

 

[BensGrandad]

Even wealthy people are advised about their money so is it possible that TBs financial advisers have said enough is enough for a couple of years. So he has tried to stop the losses that he is having to fund, for a while.

 

[RexCathedra]

....<Gus>had fallen out with Bloom so badly that he deliberately didn't play to win in that last game against Palace and that is what lies behind his sacking!!

This is inevitable when there are no actual players on the pitch, especially no players whose salaries will treble if their club is promoted...

 

[BensGrandad]

Although to be fair to him, meeting FFP targets will look great on his CV.

Will it now the clubs have agreed it doesnt work at those levels and have subsequently raised the levels.

 

[Commander]

There is no 'allegedly' about it!
Due to Barber sacking Ramos and Poyet at Spurs Gus was not happy at Barbers appointment but said he would give it six months - this a a fact as told directly to me by Charlie Oatway! Barbers subsequent cost-cutting measures then just exacerbated not only the rift with Barber but ensured there was then a rift with Bloom and the club generally!
Even though we were in the play-off semis, had drawn with the scum at Selhurst who were there for the taking down here (after beating them convincingly at the Amex a few weeks before!) I am convinced that Poyet knew he wouldn't be our manager the next season and had fallen out with Bloom so badly that he deliberately didn't play to win in that last game against Palace and that is what lies behind his sacking!!

All makes a lot of sense except the last bit, which is absolute nonsense. You are suggesting Gus didn't want a promotion to the Premier League on his CV to help him get an ever better job when he left? You are suggesting he convinced some Championship footballers to not try and take their possible only shot at the big time, and financial security for them and the families for the rest of their lives? And they agreed? Seriously, think about it. How likely do you honestly think that is?

If that header from Barnes had gone an inch lower then none of these idiotic conspiracy theories would have ever been spoken about. We lost to Palace because they were better than us on the night, simple as that.

 

[carteater]

We lost to Palace because they were better than us on the night.

that's because Poyet told the team to let them win

 

[nwgull]

At the end of the day if someone else came in and built the stadium, which already had planning approval, they would be elevated to saint status by the fans.

Bloom clearly put too much faith in Gus running the show, and the first clue was the decision to let Murray go. Many fans, if in Blooms position, might have seen this as a detrimental move when stepping up to the Championship.

Bloom has done it his way, and others would have done things differently. The fallout with Gus and then Oscar is a clear sign that Bloom hasn’t got full control of the situation and we are where we are today because of it.

There has been a catalogue of errors over the years which have been masked over with short term intermediate joy and a shiny stadium. You just have to look at Bournemouth with 12k gates to see that we have got things wrong. I could even be critical of the fact that we didn’t look to Cook, Elphick and Dunk as the long term CB team. Instead we went for a short term solution in Upson because that is what Poyet wanted. Oh how Bournemouth are laughing at us now

I think we are all thankful for Bloom stepping in, but he is not perfect or beyond criticism. I would also say he has been a bit naive at times because many of the decisions have come at a costly price.

Bournemouth? They're having a good season, but then so did we for the past 2 years. Does one season where they finish higher than us, for the first time in years, mean we got it wrong?

 

[British Bulldog]

Barber doing a good job?! We've gone from filling a 30,000 seater stadium with a season ticket waiting list of 1,000's - to 10,000 empty seats most games. We had a playoff quality side on the brink of Premier League football, now we're in the bottom 3. He's completely sold the club out into a commercial product and turned the Amex into a soulless bowl. His proactive dialogue with fans is nothing more than "good customer service" - he has never demonstrated once that he really cares about what we want.

In my opinion, he's the worst thing to happen to this football club since the late 90's. Although to be fair to him, meeting FFP targets will look great on his CV.

Not sure how Barber gets blamed for the playing side of things? He doesn't sign the players and he doesn't coach them. Yes he has turned the club into a commercial product but that's how clubs have to run these days and that will be his directive from Tony Bloom, Maximise revenue.

 

[BensGrandad]

I think that people are blaming PB for the lack of funds to buy better players than we have although the money is supplied by TB and forgetting to take into account the amount raised in sales.

 

[ewe2]

In fairness one thing you can't throw at Tony Bloom is not willing to put money into the club, His biggest problem in my eyes is being blinkered in thinking the people he has running things are doing it right. I'll excuse Paul Barber because love him or loath him he appears to be doing a good job. But having Burke in charge of signings is not working despite his good work on the academy and having Hyypia in charge of the team is a disaster waiting to happen.

Yes i cannot disagree,that player recruitment /Hypia needs a rethink by Bloom,but this again i feel is due to financial constraints.

 

[nwgull]

Not sure how Barber gets blamed for the playing side of things? He doesn't sign the players and he doesn't coach them. Yes he has turned the club into a commercial product but that's how clubs have to run these days and that will be his directive from Tony Bloom, Maximise revenue.

Not sure how he gets the blame for any of it seeing as he joined a couple of months before we had even expanded to 30k, never mind filling it on the back of our best season for over 20 years.

As far as people whinging about his cost cutting and revenue maximising, well that would be under the instruction of Tony Bloom who, I'd imagine, doesn't fancy supporting losses of 10m every year. I'm sure PB would love to have an unlimited budget and ability to cut costs to supporters knowing the TB would cover the loss; it'd make his job a piece of piss.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

If we win the next 4 then we'll have 30 points in half a season. Not great, but not terrible.

Can't see it, reckon we'll get either 1 point or 3 vs Millwall, and that's it, finishing at the half way point on 19 or 21 points.

Disaster.


I just don't understand why Tony is letting things fall apart in front of us.

 

[Return of the Rev]

I think that people are blaming PB for the lack of funds to buy better players than we have although the money is supplied by TB and forgetting to take into account the amount raised in sales.

 

[Return of the Rev]

There is no 'allegedly' about it!
Due to Barber sacking Ramos and Poyet at Spurs Gus was not happy at Barbers appointment but said he would give it six months - this a a fact as told directly to me by Charlie Oatway! Barbers subsequent cost-cutting measures then just exacerbated not only the rift with Barber but ensured there was then a rift with Bloom and the club generally!
Even though we were in the play-off semis, had drawn with the scum at Selhurst who were there for the taking down here (after beating them convincingly at the Amex a few weeks before!) I am convinced that Poyet knew he wouldn't be our manager the next season and had fallen out with Bloom so badly that he deliberately didn't play to win in that last game against Palace and that is what lies behind his sacking!!

Smells like the truth

 

[brighton bluenose]

All makes a lot of sense except the last bit, which is absolute nonsense. You are suggesting Gus didn't want a promotion to the Premier League on his CV to help him get an ever better job when he left? You are suggesting he convinced some Championship footballers to not try and take their possible only shot at the big time, and financial security for them and the families for the rest of their lives? And they agreed? Seriously, think about it. How likely do you honestly think that is?

If that header from Barnes had gone an inch lower then none of these idiotic conspiracy theories would have ever been spoken about. We lost to Palace because they were better than us on the night, simple as that.

No - but he started without two wingers didn't he! As for his CV he had fallen out so badly with Bloom he didn't give a flying fvck about his CV - his ego (rightly!) always knew he would get another job sooner or later!