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Oscar Gatcia









One Teddy Maybank

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No, to be fair I didn't go, and I realise it is a lot easy to say 'don't panic' and 'it's only October' when you haven't travelled a couple of hundred miles to see us perform terribly. But, don't panic, it's only October. This season was never going to be as good as last season.

You see, that's where I do disagree. I honestly believed that Oscar would come in, do a few tweaks, perhaps faster build-up, and we'd be away. Other than the first half vs Birmingham and 10 mins vs Bolton, we just haven't played well.

Instead our shape is wrong, he's had the forwards rotating whereby Ulloa has been out wide at times, we play narrower than last year and also play longer at times.

I'm not worried as such more frustrated.

I remain confident he'll turn it round, just need a run, and some players back.
 




The Merry Prankster

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I do agree to a point. But regardless of the personnel he should be able to stamp a shape and system of play on the team. It isn't happening and we are going backwards. I will be delighted when we do get all of our players back, and hopefully Oscar will then get us playing.........

The 11 out there today, if properly organised and disciplined, should have beaten a piss poor Yeovil but he has them neither organised nor disciplined.
 




Surf's Up

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Judge OG when our four best players return from injury - right now he's had to perform with one hand tied behind his back

While this is fair I still have this nagging doubt about his personality. He seems too reserved, too much of a gentleman, too unemotional. It's as though he somehow lacks confidence and if he's getting the tactics wrong too that plus his reserved demeanor may mean he loses the players confidence, especially after GP who was the polar opposite.
 


theonesmith

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While this is fair I still have this nagging doubt about his personality. He seems too reserved, too much of a gentleman, too unemotional. It's as though he somehow lacks confidence and if he's getting the tactics wrong too that plus his reserved demeanor may mean he loses the players confidence, especially after GP who was the polar opposite.

Words I'd use to describe Arsene Wenger - he's not had too bad a career has he?

I do think this season is a write off, but then as a psychologist I had expected that following the summer anyway, so my expectations aren't exactly unmet. However there is still plenty of time to mount a challenge if we can become consistent in defence & attack, and as far as ranking a league as an 'opportunity', this season is one of the toughest Championships I can think of. I can't help but feel that next season, if the league stands by FFP, that it will on the other hand be a great opportunity.
 


Grombleton

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You see, that's where I do disagree. I honestly believed that Oscar would come in, do a few tweaks, perhaps faster build-up, and we'd be away. Other than the first half vs Birmingham and 10 mins vs Bolton, we just haven't played well.

That's the crux of the matter right there - people expected him to hit the ground running and there are occasions where it just doesn't happen.

People have assumed that because he pissed the league with Maccabi Te-Aviv he'll do the same here - he won't. People expect us to piss the league after our efforts last season. We won't.

The glass-eyed, slack-jawed troglodytes that have decided we're shit and will be relegated just need a reality check and to get their head out of their own arses.
 




Napper

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That's the crux of the matter right there - people expected him to hit the ground running and there are occasions where it just doesn't happen.

People have assumed that because he pissed the league with Maccabi Te-Aviv he'll do the same here - he won't. People expect us to piss the league after our efforts last season. We won't.

The glass-eyed, slack-jawed troglodytes that have decided we're shit and will be relegated just need a reality check and to get their head out of their own arses.

I don't think anyone expected to piss the league .

This board seems to have to pigeon hole you into one of two extreme camps .

We can support the side and management but still question things such as tactics , motivation , passion etc . If people question it then I wouldn't assume they are all slack jawed troglodytes as you put it .

You always get fans that react quickest against a boss and that happened few weeks back . Following today what you are seeing is even more numbers starting to have doubts . This will continue all the time we are in the bottom half of the table .

Realistic or unrealistic you can't blame fans wanting more when all noises out the club seem to suggest that we are a promotion chasing side , not to mention last season and the infrastructure .
 


countryman

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I love the way people talk about us missing Hoskins, is this the same player who went on loan to Sheff United as he was crap ?
It's the same Hoskins that went to Sheffield United because he couldn't play in the championship with a hernia. When he didn't have a hernia he looked very good. Then a goalkeeper knocked his knee whilst he had all his weight on that leg. If he wasn't so unlucky with injury I think he would have been very good for us.
 
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Commander

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You see, that's where I do disagree. I honestly believed that Oscar would come in, do a few tweaks, perhaps faster build-up, and we'd be away. Other than the first half vs Birmingham and 10 mins vs Bolton, we just haven't played well.

Instead our shape is wrong, he's had the forwards rotating whereby Ulloa has been out wide at times, we play narrower than last year and also play longer at times.

I'm not worried as such more frustrated.

I remain confident he'll turn it round, just need a run, and some players back.

I don't know why anyone thought that. People got carried away with last season and thought we should have done better than we did. We did what we did because of Gus. It was his team, his big plan, and this season would have been the season where it was completed. Instead, it all went pear shaped and we've been knocked back a couple of years.

I think Oscar will come good, he's been seriously unlucky so far, but anyone who thought we were going to piss the league this season was deluded, and didn't understand what a good manager Poyet was.

As for people already starting to slate Oscar for not having enough charisma or not being opinionated enough, seriously, grow the **** up, that's the exact opposite that you were slating Poyet for last year. Alex Ferguson wasn't exactly the most charismatic man on the planet, was he?
 




Thunder Bolt

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It's the same Hoskins that went to Sheffield United because he couldn't play in the championship with a hernia. When he didn't have a hernia he looked very good. Then a goalkeeper knocked his knee whilst he had all his weight on that leg. If he wasn't so unlucky with injury I think he would have been very good for us.

He also went to Sheffield because he & his wife lost a baby girl, & it was closer to their family in Nottingham. He had a very tough couple of years.
 


Napper

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I don't know why anyone thought that. People got carried away with last season and thought we should have done better than we did. We did what we did because of Gus. It was his team, his big plan, and this season would have been the season where it was completed. Instead, it all went pear shaped and we've been knocked back a couple of years.

I think Oscar will come good, he's been seriously unlucky so far, but anyone who thought we were going to piss the league this season was deluded, and didn't understand what a good manager Poyet was.

As for people already starting to slate Oscar for not having enough charisma or not being opinionated enough, seriously, grow the **** up, that's the exact opposite that you were slating Poyet for last year. Alex Ferguson wasn't exactly the most charismatic man on the planet, was he?

Agree and I think to add .......Momentum is a massive thing in sport and last season we were still riding it hard . I think even with Poyet this season that momentum had run its course and if he was still in charge we wouldn't be a million miles better .
 


Thunder Bolt

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Agree and I think to add .......Momentum is a massive thing in sport and last season we were still riding it hard . I think even with Poyet this season that momentum had run its course and if he was still in charge we wouldn't be a million miles better .

You mean we hit the ceiling?
 








Pavilionaire

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Utterly ridiculous shambles of a thread.
 


Commander

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AZ Gull

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You mean we hit the ceiling?

Well, if by that you are asking whether the days of massive increases in the playing budget* were coming to an end, then yes. Poyet, in his first full season, saw staff costs increase by over 25% (we have no idea how much of that was actually on players, so it is the best indicator we have). The following season, staff costs rose over 100%. The accounts aren't out yet for 2012-13, but I'm betting there was another significant increase.

We all know that the budget for 2013-14 is a slight increase on 2012-13. There is absolutely no doubt that the club backed Poyet to the hilt when it came to the playing budget. Maybe he didn't feel he had what it would take to earn promotion with a team that wasn't getting parachute payments?



*until such time as we may gain promotion to the Premier League, of course
 


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