Thank you Gus Poyet

[drew]

The board is capable of making mistakes and there is a possibility that they have made a monumental one. Pointing this out isn't a criticism of TB, as he isn't necessarily the one making these mistakes.

You should re read your posts before submitting. Firstly, by mistakes you are of course referring to the Poyet situation rather than to the removal of Azure or the clackers or the quality of the loo paper. What you fail to accept is that a) Poyet is equally capable of mistakes and has made some and that b) it is a criticism of TB because nobody in the club would have taken these steps against Poyet/Tarrico/Oatway without the agreement and blessing of the man who pays all the bills. You can't seem to get your head around that fact.

Maybe Poyet has been foolish in some of his comments regarding other clubs and budgets or maybe he was trying to force TBs hand into getting a bigger budget. If the latter then it has backfired and led to this situation. If the former then he needs to learn to keep his own counsel on certain things and not speak from the hip. He will never get a top job if he doesn't exercise that control.

 

[glasfryn]

I'm sure Gus has made a mistake, possibly something very serious, who knows - but the problem is how the board have dealt with it all, from day one. This mess is an absolute debacle, a fiasco. Regardless of what Gus did, there have been seriously poor decisions made by the board in regards to how this has been handled. There is a chance that if handled in a certain way, Gus would still be our manager and we would be realistic promotion contenders this coming season - or at the very least resolved weeks ago with a fraction of the fuss.

But as chairman, of course TB is in the commanding position and so is not immune from criticism - the point I was making, is that there he may assign certain duties to his staff or other members of the board that have lead to these mistakes, or perhaps he has had poor advice from his legal team. The bottom line is that I think it's better to generalise and blame any mistakes that have been made on the board generally speaking, as there are many people involved in this, rather than solely on TB -even though the responsibility of this club is ultimately his.

you mean you want to sack the manager but the team who are supposed to be trying to do this don't seem to be making any headway (or maybe they are and nobody is saying anything or maybe they have all been struck dumb)
it does occur to me that once they have got rid of Gus there could be more people given the elbow including those in public relations as they seem to be dragging their feet as well

 

[drew]

I'm sure Gus has made a mistake, possibly something very serious, who knows - but the problem is how the board have dealt with it all, from day one. This mess is an absolute debacle, a fiasco. Regardless of what Gus did, there have been seriously poor decisions made by the board in regards to how this has been handled. There is a chance that if handled in a certain way, Gus would still be our manager and we would be realistic promotion contenders this coming season - or at the very least resolved weeks ago with a fraction of the fuss.

But as chairman, of course TB is in the commanding position and so is not immune from criticism - the point I was making, is that he may assign certain duties to his staff or other members of the board that have lead to these mistakes, or perhaps he has had poor advice from his legal team. The bottom line is that I think it's better to generalise and blame any mistakes that have been made on the board generally speaking, as there are many people involved in this, rather than solely on TB -even though the responsibility of this club is ultimately his.

Then explain exactly what they should have done differently? Who on the board do you consider more at blame than anyone else? What other mistakes have other members of the board made that the main shareholder wouldn't be aware of?

Your underlying criticism is not of the board but of Barber but you can't get your head around the fact that he was appointed to do a job by TB. Maybe if Poyet actually realised what a good thing he had going here, maybe the constant sniping at the hand that feeds him would have been reigned in.

 

[glasfryn]

Then explain exactly what they should have done differently? Who on the board do you consider more at blame than anyone else? What other mistakes have other members of the board made that the main shareholder wouldn't be aware of?

Your underlying criticism is not of the board but of Barber but you can't get your head around the fact that he was appointed to do a job by TB. Maybe if Poyet actually realised what a good thing he had going here, maybe the constant sniping at the hand that feeds him would have been reigned in.

if this fiasco is down to him then he is not doing a very good job is he
there is history here is there not

 

[TottonSeagull]

if this fiasco is down to him then he is not doing a very good job is he
there is history here is there not

This is not a fiasco, this is an unfortunate situation that the club are dealing with through the correct channels. I have faith that Barber has the track record and experience to handle this and until (if ever) we get to know what exactly the situation that caused all this is we have to assume that Bloom and Barber are handling this correctly. Constant ill informed rants from an armchair critic is getting very tiresome!

 

[drew]

if this fiasco is down to him then he is not doing a very good job is he
there is history here is there not

Why would it be down to Barber? This fiasco as you call it is far from that. The club have a process, as all employers should have, and are going through it. Frustrating for fans but hardly a fiasco. As for the history, exactly what is that? Are you alluding to the fact that Barber was at Spurs when Daniel Levy wanted to get rid of Ramos? Hardly Barber's fault. Especially when you consider that Spurs were on a downward spiral, possibly in the bottom 3 at the time.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

In my recent work debacle, which related to an event that took place a month ago, only two people know what's going on - the boss, and the second in command. The organisation is otherwise in the dark. I have had no communication since the secret meeting I had with the leadership. I don't know if the matter is closed or not. That, my friends, is due process.

Mind you, I'm pretty sure that there will be no further action in my case (because I sucked it up and apologised). In Gussie's case there is presumably the legal aspects of the divorce to navigate. In both cases the outcome will be clear only when all is deemed to be over, and in both cases (but for different reasons) there will be no detailed explanations. The world at large is not entitled to full disclosure. I have absolutely no problem with that.

Its frustrating waiting for the new managerial appointment but that's life.

 

[Seagull73]

I've heard directly from Tony that he views the appointment of club manager as one of the most important roles of a club chairman.

The argus quotes that the relationship between Tony and Gus has broken down.

I know Gus has charisma, but this is clear cut - Tony, not Paul Barber, is the one who doesn't want Gus as manager.

Poyet hasn't gone yet, officially. When he does, I'll add my thanks to this thread.

That doesn't mean he isn't making a mistake - which was MK's point.

 

[Official Old Man]

I agree with everybody here, both good and bad. He has moved us on to a higher level and we are close to being a top club. Time to move on though.
But I don't understand the 'payout or non payout' bit. Are we looking to sack him? Why? Surely if we just carried on and ignored what he said/done (allegedly) he would have left, I think, and gone to another club, at which point we would have got a payout.

 

[fosters headband]

I agree with everybody here, both good and bad. He has moved us on to a higher level and we are close to being a top club. Time to move on though.
But I don't understand the 'payout or non payout' bit. Are we looking to sack him? Why? Surely if we just carried on and ignored what he said/done (allegedly) he would have left, I think, and gone to another club, at which point we would have got a payout.

And how many other functions of his job would you allow him to refuse to do before you took some action against him then. Let the retained list issue just slide and where would it all end?

 

[sydney]

i would join in re thanking poyet............once he sorts his trapp out he could go a long way. shame it can't be with us now.

 

[Not Spanish Dave]

Thanks Gus. Bye Gus. Hi Oscar.
Shame your gob was too big really

 

[Brighton Mod]

Oh dear - morbid drunk were we?

No, just can't see why some should Lionise Gus, he was paid well, had choices and pretty much sealed his own fate when he said that he could not get promotion on the budget he had. Pretty much left the chairman with no choice. I am not disputing his achievement, but lets not overstate his achievements, look where that has got him.

 

[GoingUp]

Thanks for the success, we will never know what happened, glad we can just move on. Can now build for next year!?!

 

[Brighton TID]

Seems to me that your idea of identity is based purely on what happens on the pitch. Also you are very condescending about the team back then as it was more than just watson and zamora or are you the one that is blind.

By identity I mean playing identity. Gus gave us a playing identity whereby everyone, pundits, opposition fans, the taxi driver from West Ham, et al, knew us as a passing team. Pass from the back, through Bridcutt as the fulcrum, pass, pass, pass. That is what I mean by identity.
Rightly or wrongly, West Ham have a hoof ball identity as designed by Allardyce. Read Andy Carroll, big man up front, a target for the high ball.

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

Gus took us up a few notches , now it is time to move on and finish the job in hand.

 

[B.W.]

I would to thank Gus for taking a poor team and turning it into the 4th best team in the second tier playing a style of football that has got little Brighton noticed.

Granted this would not have been possible without the support of Tony Bloom but you have to give money to the right person (Adams mk 2 and Russell Slade spent a few quid in comparison and didn't get anywhere).

A) We are no longer little Brighton.
B) You cannot reasonably compare Gus' budget to ANY other Brighton manager, least of all the ones you mention. Gus was given a far bigger budget than ANY other Brighton manager.

 

[B.W.]

Whilst nobody can argue that some of our football has been outstanding over the last few years, it hasn't been without flaws, a work in progress you could say, I will say thanks to Gus for doing his best, I have no doubt at all that he put every effort possible into improving our team.

But you always had that feeling he was more interested in his own agenda, all the time we were improving this was fine but after the Palace game when he came out with those comments I went from putting up with Gus because we were all heading in the same direction, to having lost all respect for the man.

This was a time when I wanted to hear the manager come out with something dignified like "we regroup and come back even stronger next season" not the self serving crap that he came out with about hitting the roof and "I have to think about my future". Even if that is how he felt, he showed a complete lack of class by saying so live on TV, there is a time and a place, that definitely wasn't it!

I wonder how many of you Gus apologists, especially whoever said they had lost a bit of respect for the club, will still be backing him if Tony decides to step down due to the stress of recent events? We would then have had the very life support system that has allowed Gus to improve this team, switched off permanently!

Brilliant post. Gus apologists beware.

 

[B.W.]

You should re read your posts before submitting. Firstly, by mistakes you are of course referring to the Poyet situation rather than to the removal of Azure or the clackers or the quality of the loo paper. What you fail to accept is that a) Poyet is equally capable of mistakes and has made some and that b) it is a criticism of TB because nobody in the club would have taken these steps against Poyet/Tarrico/Oatway without the agreement and blessing of the man who pays all the bills. You can't seem to get your head around that fact.

Maybe Poyet has been foolish in some of his comments regarding other clubs and budgets or maybe he was trying to force TBs hand into getting a bigger budget. If the latter then it has backfired and led to this situation. If the former then he needs to learn to keep his own counsel on certain things and not speak from the hip. He will never get a top job if he doesn't exercise that control.

Another top post. How many before the message gets through to the Gus lovers.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

Brilliant post. Gus apologists beware.

Fortunately Bloom maybe small in stature but he's a much bigger man than Poyet will ever be. Poyet put his ego out there he put his hard earnt and let that do the talking