North stand standing what a joke

[dangull]

I'm with the view that there should be a part of the ground for people to stand if they wish. It would help boost the ground capacity, which would increase revenue, and also boost the atmosphere.

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

So are Spurs and Leeds but they have the common sense to look into the distance whistling instead of causing a problem by throwing people out for singing at a football match. If it was say West Stand Lower or the family stand then sure, but anyone with an ounce of common sense at the club would let the kids be kids as they are the future. Also Poyet will moan if the atmosphere takes a dive and the club really cant have it both ways. I just think someone has left their common sense behind.

Last season at Elland Road the stewards in the away section took a hardline approach on us standing as we were in the side stand. All around the rest of the ground especially the two ends behind the goal they were all standing. These were the same stewards who claimed that they couldn't hear any homophobic chanting from Leeds fans in their South Stand. One bloke became so incensed at their attitude that he disappeared for 20 minutes to have a conflab with the head steward and local constabulary.

 

[Northstandite]

I send Richard Hebberd an email a few months back about the stewarding issues in the North and he replied saying that there were no issues, it was all the fans fault and that I was so far wrong that I was lucky he was even bothering to reply. The guy is an utter prick. And an utter prick who may well be out of a job at the end of the season as well. I hope so.

Genuinely, I know someone very senior at the club (Withdean and Amex era, and more senior than Hebberd), who indicated that Hebberd is a nasty piece of work with a brutal attitude towards fans.

I was told that his background was either ex-military or police ... I cannot remember which.

I hope Bloom and Barber listen to fans, and are not railroaded by Hebberd's assertions.

 

[Northstandite]

I know its very odd behaviour down at the Albion. Maybe Brighton as a club could learn something from Spurs both on and off the pitch.

Not a Spurs fan in the slightest, but when they announced their 56,000 stadium expansion plan 2 or 3 years ago, they had a dig about the Emirates on their website; and made it plain that the front row of seats will be closer to the pitch than the Emirates and they will have an Anfield type giant Kop at one end. Rationale ... the 12th man to give them the edge in games.

They've learnt from the sterile effects of the Emirates design and pricing.

I hope Bloom and Barber override Hebberd, and don't let us evolve into a club like Reading with a zzzzzzz atmosphere.

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

Genuinely, I know someone very senior at the club (Withdean and Amex era, and more senior than Hebberd), who indicated that Hebberd is a nasty piece of work with a brutal attitude towards fans.

I was told that his background was either ex-military or police ... I cannot remember which.

I hope Bloom and Barber listen to fans, and are not railroaded by Hebberd's assertions.

Isn't he ex police and a Man United fan ?

 

[Garage_Doors]

Beginning to doubt after yesterday's mass exodus from the North Stand on 85 minutes that there are many "proper supporters" there. Proper supporters stay until the end of a game.

What absolute bollocks, only supporters that stay until the end are proper supporters. what a load of tosh

 

[severnside gull]

wow!
You guys really know how to shoot youeseles in the foot don't you?


I think I can say with some certainty that the ill-will you display so openly to employees of the club and your determination to oppose them will be more than matched no matter what you think and believe to be your "rights"

 

[Billy the Fish]

Genuinely, I know someone very senior at the club (Withdean and Amex era, and more senior than Hebberd), who indicated that Hebberd is a nasty piece of work with a brutal attitude towards fans.

I was told that his background was either ex-military or police ... I cannot remember which.

I hope Bloom and Barber listen to fans, and are not railroaded by Hebberd's assertions.

He's ex-OB, he used to be something to do with policing football in North London. The bloke is clearly stuck in the 70/80s, he views football fans with utter contempt and only understands how to do things by imposing some sort of authoritarian bullshit.

In interviews he's done he actually talks a pretty good game and comes across as fairly balanced, but his actions tell a very different story and that makes him all the more dangerous, his ego is too big for him to listen to anyone else's opinion. Remember, this is the man that didn't want us to have any kind of supporters bar and anything we have now is despite him. The sooner this dinosaur hangs up his truncheon the better for all of us.

 

[Dandyman]

He's ex-OB, he used to be something to do with policing football in North London. The bloke is clearly stuck in the 70/80s, he views football fans with utter contempt and only understands how to do things by imposing some sort of authoritarian bullshit.

In interviews he's done he actually talks a pretty good game and comes across as fairly balanced, but his actions tell a very different story and that makes him all the more dangerous, his ego is too big for him to listen to anyone else's opinion. Remember, this is the man that didn't want us to have any kind of supporters bar and anything we have now is despite him. The sooner this dinosaur hangs up his truncheon the better for all of us.

He was Met Commander at Highbury (although he's from Moulescoomb originally)

 

[clapham_gull]

Genuinely, I know someone very senior at the club (Withdean and Amex era, and more senior than Hebberd), who indicated that Hebberd is a nasty piece of work with a brutal attitude towards fans.

I was told that his background was either ex-military or police ... I cannot remember which.

I hope Bloom and Barber listen to fans, and are not railroaded by Hebberd's assertions.

Can't let that go to be honest, although normally I would. I've met Richard on a number of occasions and I like him. There are things you and I would possibly disagree with him about, but he has the club and the fans interest at heart.

 

[Billy the Fish]

Can't let that go to be honest, although normally I would. I've met Richard on a number of occasions and I like him. There are things you and I would possibly disagree with him about, but he has the club and the fans interest at heart.

I've no doubt that he's probably a nice enough bloke, my criticisms are purely from a professional perspective.

I also have no doubt that he has the fans interests at heart, but that is part of the problem. He has his version of the fans interests at heart, the ones who sit in silence as docile as hindu cows. Those of us who want to make a bit of noise, like a few beers and want to watch at least some of the game on our feet are 2nd class and expendable. If that wasn't true, incidents like yesterday would not be happening.

 

[clapham_gull]

I've no doubt that he's probably a nice enough bloke, my criticisms are purely from a professional perspective.

Which I respect, whilst others are overtly personal based it appears on hear say.

 

[Billy the Fish]

Which I respect, whilst others are overtly personal based it appears on hear say.

That's something he'll have to put up with in his position. You've met him in a non-work situation and he's been fine, but other people have had a different experience when it's in relation to football, such as Commander. Most people are complex and behave according to the situation, I'm sure Hitler was a hoot at dinner parties until the subject got onto religion or politics!

What about the bloke who was banned last season for no reason and was given short shrift by Hebbard. He also got Ask the club on NSC shut down because of a bit of criticism. There is definitely a sinister side when it comes to business.

 

[Mayfair Seagull]

I send Richard Hebberd an email a few months back about the stewarding issues in the North and he replied saying that there were no issues, it was all the fans fault and that I was so far wrong that I was lucky he was even bothering to reply. The guy is an utter prick. And an utter prick who may well be out of a job at the end of the season as well. I hope so.

Absolutely this.

 

[Stat Brother]

From where I was in the East, the guy in the beige duffel coat who appeared to be winding up the stewards and encouraging fans to get up out of their seats needs to wear less identifiable clothing

I noticed him too, it was hardly difficult.
Acting like that I'm surprised he lasted as long as he did.

 

[Hotchilidog]

What people in the North Stand have to realise, is that the ground regulations do not permit persistent standing. This is the rule, everyone knows this is the rule even if they do not like it. The stewards are therefore well within their rights to enforce this rule, especially when they may have been given specific instructions to enforce it. Sadly the persistent standers are in breach of those regulations and do risk ejection if they do not comply. Those are the facts, plain and bloody simple.

Of course most of us will agree that the rule is bullshit and there is no serious safety reason for it. We can also agree that the enforcement can seem arbitrary and unfair. This however does not change the FACT, that you quite literally do not have a leg to stand on when it comes breaching the rule.

The fault lies with the taylor report and the act of parliament which followed it, not the stewards or the club. Inviting confrontation with the stewards is just asking for trouble. That people feel the treatment meted out is unfair, is neither hear nor there, if you do not comply with a request to sit down then you are risking potential ejection, and you know it, so don't do it.

What is required is a change in the law, which lifts these ridiculous restrictions. it is possible to get behind the team whilst seat, the WSU seems to do a good job. For me there just seems too much eagerness for confrontation (on both sides) which detracts from supporting the team. The problems in the North Stand are totally avoidable if people just sit down when asked. You do not have to like it, I agree it is ludicrous, but is it really worth getting kicked out because of it? I think not.

 

[hybrid_x]

wierd how humans think it ok to obey a rule....just because it is a rule.........even tho it is stupid and holds no common sense.

the best thing the north can do, is create a "stand all game" date - and stand together.

 

[00snook]

wierd how humans think it ok to obey a rule....just because it is a rule.........even tho it is stupid and holds no common sense.

I suggested something similar to this earlier in the thread and was branded a "rebel" and told I need to "grow up".

Free thinking like this is not encouraged on NSC.

You must conform!

 

[Titus]

wierd how humans think it ok to obey a rule....just because it is a rule.

Do you wear a seat belt?

 

[n1 gull]

What people in the North Stand have to realise, is that the ground regulations do not permit persistent standing. This is the rule, everyone knows this is the rule even if they do not like it. The stewards are therefore well within their rights to enforce this rule, especially when they may have been given specific instructions to enforce it. Sadly the persistent standers are in breach of those regulations and do risk ejection if they do not comply. Those are the facts, plain and bloody simple.

Of course most of us will agree that the rule is bullshit and there is no serious safety reason for it. We can also agree that the enforcement can seem arbitrary and unfair. This however does not change the FACT, that you quite literally do not have a leg to stand on when it comes breaching the rule.

The fault lies with the taylor report and the act of parliament which followed it, not the stewards or the club. Inviting confrontation with the stewards is just asking for trouble. That people feel the treatment meted out is unfair, is neither hear nor there, if you do not comply with a request to sit down then you are risking potential ejection, and you know it, so don't do it.

What is required is a change in the law, which lifts these ridiculous restrictions. it is possible to get behind the team whilst seat, the WSU seems to do a good job. For me there just seems too much eagerness for confrontation (on both sides) which detracts from supporting the team. The problems in the North Stand are totally avoidable if people just sit down when asked. You do not have to like it, I agree it is ludicrous, but is it really worth getting kicked out because of it? I think not.

Why don't they mind away fans standing?