Joe Hart - England keeper?

[BigGully]

I didnt see the first 3 saves.

But this isnt a matter of 'FAULT', he wasnt at fault there were no errors, but when you wish to hold the crown of 'best in land', you save one of those 3 goals you conceded at the Bernabeu and you see your team through for an unforgettable win.

 

[NickBHAFC18]

That may be true, but you try running the country and posting at the same time .......

But which of the 3 conceded goals were unsavable ??

Marcelo's shot took a wicked deflection, Benzema's goal was just world class and placed inch perfect and the last one Kompany ducked out the way last minute while he was standing a couple of yards in front of Hart, plus the ball had some wicked dip on it.

You should watch the saves Hart made in the first half then comment.

 

[BigGully]

Marcelo's shot took a wicked deflection, Benzema's goal was just world class and placed inch perfect and the last one Kompany ducked out the way last minute while he was standing a couple of yards in front of Hart, plus the ball had some wicked dip on it.

You should watch the saves Hart made in the first half then comment.

I will but I am commenting from a 'world's best' perspective on the most critical part of the game, which are those goals conceded.

 

[NickBHAFC18]

I will but I am commenting from a 'world's best' perspective on the most critical part of the game, which are those goals conceded.

As I have said in this thread already, Joe Hart is not the best in the world and people that think he is need their head checking. But he is by far the best keeper England have.

 

[BigGully]

As I have said in this thread already, Joe Hart is not the best in the world and people that think he is need their head checking. But he is by far the best keeper England have.

I dont have a problem with that, he might be the best in the world too, personally it would be nice to have any English player regarded as that.

Its just a comment on what would be expected of him last night from even himself and his team mates, he wasnt at fault there were no errors, but he just didnt pull off a worldy or two when it mattered and in top top level games like that the winning teams goalkeeper generally do.

 

[CHAPPERS]

I will but I am commenting from a 'world's best' perspective on the most critical part of the game, which are those goals conceded.

You can be the best keeper in the world (he's not but in top 5) and still concede three goals in a game, especially if one of takes a huge deflection, one is a top class finish and one is your defenders fault entirely.

 

[albion534]

Seeing all the goals, both city goals were very much save able for the worlds beat keeper, don't know what he was doing with the dzeko goal, looks like he just fell over

If he were to save any, would be the 3rd, but then kompany dived out the way like avoiding a sniper shot, very harsh on hart

 

[Falkor]

As I have said in this thread already, Joe Hart is not the best in the world and people that think he is need their head checking. But he is by far the best keeper England have.

Name a number of better keepers he is by far the best in the premier league

 

[BigGully]

You can be the best keeper in the world (he's not but in top 5) and still concede three goals in a game, especially if one of takes a huge deflection, one is a top class finish and one is your defenders fault entirely.

Of course they can, but I would want him to have saved one of those shots, then it would be more appropriate for him to be called 'great', 'the best' 'world class'.

Great players win games and great keepers save games, last night Hart wasnt brilliant, he did a good shift and made some good saves didnt lose his standing as Englands finest, but I bet he will be feeling too, that maybe he might have saved at least one of those.

In fact I BET he felt he might of saved one of them, he thrives on that self belief, but he wouldnt be blaming himself either..

 

[NickBHAFC18]

Name a number of better keepers he is by far the best in the premier league

Buffon (even at his age is unbelievable) Casillas (Barely had anything to do last night incase you compare him and Harts performances) Valdes and Neuer....

I agree, he is the best in the Premiership but the world? Come on, you're lost in all the bullshit the media and pundits try and feed you.

 

[Falkor]

Buffon

CASILAS is funny as he is so error pron its insane, you only have to go on you tube to find loads



as for Valdes on Neuer i could find simple errors by them also.

I think he is in the top 3 keepers in the world, as for Casillas he is overrated

 

[NickBHAFC18]

Buffon

CASILAS is funny as he is so error pron its insane, you only have to go on you tube to find loads



as for Valdes on Neuer i could find simple errors by them also.

I think he is in the top 3 keepers in the world, as for Casillas he is overrated

Ridiculous, anyone can type something in on Youtube. Jeez I can find a video of Messi or Ronaldo messing something up...

Either way, in that case,

 

[Falkor]

best keeper in the world really?

 

[keaton]

Buffon (even at his age is unbelievable) Casillas (Barely had anything to do last night incase you compare him and Harts performances) Valdes and Neuer....

I agree, he is the best in the Premiership but the world? Come on, you're lost in all the bullshit the media and pundits try and feed you.

That's four then. Of which Casillas has had a pretty poor start to the season and Valdes didn't look great for most of last season.

 

[Gritt23]

Think I mentioned on another thread tonight- they suggested earlier he's the best keeper in the world. When in fact he wasn't even the best one on the pitch.

What did you think of Man Citys second? Looked to me like the keeper gambled to much on someone getting a touch, and the cross/shot sailed in the far post. It's one thing seeing Watto do this in the 4th division, but I thought Casillas would be disappointed with that one.

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

Wow. What a moronic opening post. I can't be bothered to read all the comments but I'm assuiming someone who understands football would have explained that:

Goal 1 was a THUNDERBOLT which was DEFLECTED back towards the centre of the goal whilst hart was MID-DIVE.
Goal 3 was DIPPING, SWERVING and SHOULD have been headed by Kompany who DUCKED out the way. That is not his fault in any way possible.

 

[Aadam]

No goals are unsaveable


Who's got a long list of keepers that are better than Hart then? or left-backs better than Cole?

How do you judge a goalkeeper? On number of clean sheets, number of saves? How pretty he looks in an England shirt? His shot to save ratio?

Last season, these keepers were better in terms of number of shots saved (with worse defenders in front of them), which is a fair marker for goalkeeper I would have thought? (Brackets for games played)

Anders Lindegaar (8) - 81.82%
David De Gea (29) - 77.86%
Joe Hart (38) - 76.98%

Not many, is the answer. He's a quality keeper, but far from finished. I cannot find stats for goalkeepers in Europe, though. Would be interested to see how he stacks up if anyone knows where this data might be kept?

 

[Aadam]

Marcelo's shot took a wicked deflection, Benzema's goal was just world class and placed inch perfect and the last one Kompany ducked out the way last minute while he was standing a couple of yards in front of Hart, plus the ball had some wicked dip on it.

You should watch the saves Hart made in the first half then comment.

Should a world class goalkeeper match and cancel out (save) a world class shot?

 

[NickBHAFC18]

Should a world class goalkeeper match and cancel out (save) a world class shot?

Ok so are you saying Joe Hart isn't world class? I don't think many keepers would of had that. Great turn by Benzema, made it look like he was going to put it across goal but placed it inch perfect into the left corner.

 

[keaton]

How do you judge a goalkeeper? On number of clean sheets, number of saves? How pretty he looks in an England shirt? His shot to save ratio?

Last season, these keepers were better in terms of number of shots saved (with worse defenders in front of them), which is a fair marker for goalkeeper I would have thought? (Brackets for games played)

Anders Lindegaar (8) - 81.82%
David De Gea (29) - 77.86%
Joe Hart (38) - 76.98%

Not many, is the answer. He's a quality keeper, but far from finished. I cannot find stats for goalkeepers in Europe, though. Would be interested to see how he stacks up if anyone knows where this data might be kept?

Percentages of saved shots, clean sheets, mistakes, match-winning performance are all good criteria. You've come up with one who's only played 8 games and another who's got a negligible better rating(less than a percent)