Can any of our right wing friends defend this article from The Daily Hate

[BadFish]

You make a lot of assumptions for someone who's never met me , you assume I have a "warped view of non white people" , you assume I have an "unhappy life ", since when has being concerned about and disagreeing with levels of immigration also entailed having this warped view you talk about, since when has voicing an opinion also equated to having an "unhappy life " ? your assumptions pure and simple , i suspect you also assume people automatically tell the truth in asylum claims.

They are less assumtion and more a view of you I have based on the evidence of your posts. It is pretty obvious that you are a very angry man and focus that anger on immigrants.

I also suspect that you assume people automatically lie on asylum claims.

 

[User removed 4]

They are less assumtion and more a view of you I have based on the evidence of your posts. It is pretty obvious that you are a very angry man and focus that anger on immigrants.

I also suspect that you assume people automatically lie on asylum claims.

Yet again , you're assuming that I assume that people lie on asylum claims

 

[FREDBINNEY]

i am just cynical about this this great big fluffly and very artificial cloak we are all meant to wrap ourselves in about multi-culturalism is and how 'natural' its all meant to feel.

When the reality is that its primarly been something that has only come about in the last 60 years of our history and for which there is no precedent what so ever.

So the BBC insisting on every period drama, for example, having to feature non-white characters has a falseness to it that I find annoying and patronising.

Some people have benefited but its also plainly obvious that this is not the case for everybody and that as an experiment in social interaction the jury is very much out on whether its been an over-all success.

But this whole notion of people being able to come here and maintain their own cultural roots and so on is bullshit. People who come here have to adopt to the mainstream culture if they are going to succeed.

There was a story about a Pakistani man and his two sons being given suspended sentences because they bashed up their daughter/sister as she was having a romance with somebody they did not approve of. Apparently the Dad had already agreed that she was to marry her cousin because, in his words, 'blood is best'.

Now thats a cultural expectation. Surely in this glorious 'multi-cultural' society who are we to judge this man and his actions ? Except of course we do because ultimately he is expected to fit into our way of doing things and we dont give a shit about his culture.

The whole point about it is that its a lie. We dont live in a multi-cultural society. Its a complete falsehood. All I want is honesty about it because lets be frank here no political party has ever gone to the country and asked them has it ? Instead they all talk tough on immigration whilst doing the exact opposite because it suits their corporate masters to have people come here with lower expectations of wages.

And that is it. Its all about wage pressure. Always has been, always will be.

So forgive me for not buying into all this rainbow nation bullshit. Its posh people ultimately shitting on poor people. Thats all immigration has ever been about in this country

 

[daveinprague]

People from other countries and cultures have been coming to Britain for centuries...Even the French
Black people have been in Britain since the Romans...

Its not an 'experiment'.
They are here. They are not going anywhere, anytime soon.
The world is a lot smaller.
In most cases, we went to THEIR countries. Killed, raped and pillaged their resources.
Some dont adapt...Most do...

 

[The Spanish]

People from other countries and cultures have been coming to Britain for centuries...Even the French
Black people have been in Britain since the Romans...

Its not an 'experiment'.
They are here. They are not going anywhere, anytime soon.
The world is a lot smaller.
In most cases, we went to THEIR countries. Killed, raped and pillaged their resources.

thats got all the classics dave. the old they have been here for centuries and and anyway we went over there first top and bottoming it nicely. chuck in a reference to flemish weavers or hugenots and we have the set.

 

[daveinprague]

What part isnt true? oh, and dont forget the Ashkenazi jews after the Hugonots..

 

[Nibble]

All of the great London markets, Fish, flower and meat (can't remember all their names), the ones you Londoners love so much with your traditions and good ol' Laaaarndun boy 'tude would have closed down and their families on the scrapheap decades ago if it wasn't for our ethnic brothers and sisters. They keep industries going.

 

[User removed 4]

What part isnt true? oh, and dont forget the Ashkenazi jews after the Hugonots..

its not so much whether they're true , its whether they're relevant, mostly they're not , no matter how much you want to lay a colonial guilt trip on us.

 

[daveinprague]

Not us.....just a few people....the people who are mostly out of step with the rest of the country.

You can try to insinuate that all asian people are immigrants. (from rural Sylhet) They are not in the majority. They are born and bred in the UK. Many fight in our armed services. ..If their religion and colour offends you. Tough shit.
Our religion and colour probably offended them...If you want to go to an all white, European country to live...good luck finding one....the world has moved on from that.
Im off home....ill let you froth.

 

[User removed 4]

Not us.....just a few people....the people who are mostly out of step with the rest of the country.You can try to insinuate that all asian people are immigrants. (from rural Sylhet) They are not in the majority. They are born and bred in the UK. Many fight in our armed services. ..If their religion and colour offends you. Tough shit.
Our religion and colour probably offended them.

why come here then ? as for me being mostly out of step with the rest of the country , this would suggest the opposite applies.

http://www.migrationpolicy.org/pubs/TCM-BritishPublicOpinion.pdf

 

[Nibble]

why come here then ?

With the sole intention of moving into your London just to piss you off?

 

[daveinprague]

lol

 

[User removed 4]

Not us.....just a few people....the people who are mostly out of step with the rest of the country.

You can try to insinuate that all asian people are immigrants. (from rural Sylhet) They are not in the majority. They are born and bred in the UK. Many fight in our armed services. ..If their religion and colour offends you. Tough shit.
Our religion and colour probably offended them...If you want to go to an all white, European country to live...good luck finding one....the world has moved on from that.
Im off home....ill let you froth.

Come on dave , you're not really, you cant resist seeing what i write.

 

[xenophon]

Danny Boyle's head has got its own postcode, have you seen the physical size of this guy's schwad? He looks like the Bo Selecta Ant McPartlin off of Ant & Dec.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

the swedish seamans church is almost never used, the norwegian seamans church is still based there but is used for the whole of london, my very good friend is the danish seamans pastor he lives in rotherhithe as the church still owns property there but his church is in regents park. there is no scandinavian community in rotherhithe.

Yep. The Surrey Docks have closed. The Scandinavians have dispersed. The point is that they arrived a very long time ago, established themselves as a thriving community with a strong sense of identity and a persisting loyalty to their place of origin. And the locals respected them.

The fact that history drifts on and circumstances change makes my point for me. To listen to bushy, you'd believe that multi-culturalism is impossible in all circumstances and that incoming groups of people from foreign cultures will inevitably destroy what he holds dear (and what, for some reason, he identifies as "English working class culture").

The theme that runs through this thread is the diversity of the English experience. It isn't the same everywhere. And bushy's pessimism that different cultures can't mix is simply not matched by the experience of many people. Yes, Firle isn't Haywards Heath, and isn't Brick Lane, and isn't Rotherhithe, and isn't Southall, and isn't Brighton, and isn't Stoke Newington ... etc, etc. That's a good thing that should give us all hope. Times change, society develops, communities grow to adapt. All positive stuff.

Prejudging outcomes on the basis of personal perpectives of particular localities at particular times is, frankly, just prejudice. And wrong.

 

[El Presidente]

I think some people just want to return to the glory days of driving a Morris Ital and eating boiled beef and carrots for tea seven days a week.......and there's nothing wrong with that.

Living in Manchester there are many cultures, most get on, some don't, just like individuals really.

 

[BadFish]

Yep. The Surrey Docks have closed. The Scandinavians have dispersed. The point is that they arrived a very long time ago, established themselves as a thriving community with a strong sense of identity and a persisting loyalty to their place of origin. And the locals respected them.

The fact that history drifts on and circumstances change makes my point for me. To listen to bushy, you'd believe that multi-culturalism is impossible in all circumstances and that incoming groups of people from foreign cultures will inevitably destroy what he holds dear (and what, for some reason, he identifies as "English working class culture").

The theme that runs through this thread is the diversity of the English experience. It isn't the same everywhere. And bushy's pessimism that different cultures can't mix is simply not matched by the experience of many people. Yes, Firle isn't Haywards Heath, and isn't Brick Lane, and isn't Rotherhithe, and isn't Southall, and isn't Brighton, and isn't Stoke Newington ... etc, etc. That's a good thing that should give us all hope. Times change, society develops, communities grow to adapt. All positive stuff.

Prejudging outcomes on the basis of personal perpectives of particular localities at particular times is, frankly, just prejudice. And wrong.

well said, there are many places where multiculturalism works, these are ignored by Bushy which brings his argument down to 'Multiculturalism doesn't work where I live/have lived/near where I live'. This begs the question of why does it work in some places and not others? The answers are probably the same factors that cause any community not to work. Lack of jobs, lack of services etc etc. We might add the attitudes of the people that live there, if Bushy's attitude is the norm then anyone of a different colour or religion does stand a cat in hells chance.

With respect and acceptance on both parts then people can live together harmoniously. Why should you Bushy? because your anger is changing nothing and making things worse for you and the rest of your community.

 

[BadFish]

I think some people just want to return to the glory days of driving a Morris Ital and eating boiled beef and carrots for tea seven days a week.......and there's nothing wrong with that.

Living in Manchester there are many cultures, most get on, some don't, just like individuals really.

Almost like race, religion, skin colour or country of origin has nothing to do with it?

 

[User removed 4]

Yep. The Surrey Docks have closed. The Scandinavians have dispersed. The point is that they arrived a very long time ago, established themselves as a thriving community with a strong sense of identity and a persisting loyalty to their place of origin. And the locals respected them.

The fact that history drifts on and circumstances change makes my point for me. To listen to bushy, you'd believe that multi-culturalism is impossible in all circumstances and that incoming groups of people from foreign cultures will inevitably destroy what he holds dear (and what, for some reason, he identifies as "English working class culture").

The theme that runs through this thread is the diversity of the English experience. It isn't the same everywhere. And bushy's pessimism that different cultures can't mix is simply not matched by the experience of many people. Yes, Firle isn't Haywards Heath, and isn't Brick Lane, and isn't Rotherhithe, and isn't Southall, and isn't Brighton, and isn't Stoke Newington ... etc, etc. That's a good thing that should give us all hope. Times change, society develops, communities grow to adapt. All positive stuff.

Prejudging outcomes on the basis of personal perpectives of particular localities at particular times is, frankly, just prejudice. And wrong.

oh do me a favour, this has already been answered , the scandinavians arrived with a broadly similar culture and outlook tio the locals, they integrated, intermarried and dispersed into the population, all things that quite simply aren't happening with large sections of immigrants, and youre right firle isnt brck lane or southall or stoke newington, so stop f***ing lecturing preople on the joys of multiculturalism when you've made the choice to move away from it , whatever excuse you might make.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

oh do me a favour, this has already been answered , the scandinavians arrived with a broadly similar culture and outlook tio the locals, they integrated, intermarried and dispersed into the population, all things that quite simply aren't happening with large sections of immigrants, and youre right firle isnt brck lane or southall or stoke newington, so stop f***ing lecturing preople on the joys of multiculturalism when you've made the choice to move away from it , whatever excuse you might make.

Eh? I spend my working life engaged in providing services to a huge range of people from very diverse backgrounds. But this debate isn't about me - or you.