The great Vicente saga - 2012 edition [All quite exciting in the end]

[Frutos]

With or without stats I think we saw enough last season to say whilst we would all like him to stay we will cope without him.

Fair assessment IMO.

 

[glasfryn]

With or without stats I think we saw enough last season to say whilst we would all like him to stay we will cope without him.

is the correct answer
IMHO those teams we played where he made the "difference" was the opposing teams perceived fear of a very good player.

 

[folkestonesgull]

I don't know if its been mentioned before but it is very common in spain for club presidents to promise certain signings in preseason, even if they don't work out. I think its all to do with the way the clubs are set up with membership etc...may be wrong though

 

[Safeway]

I don't know if its been mentioned before but it is very common in spain for club presidents to promise certain signings in preseason, even if they don't work out. I think its all to do with the way the clubs are set up with membership etc...may be wrong though

Good point. Didn't Barcelona famously do it with David Beckham a few years ago?

 

[LamieRobertson]

Good point. Didn't Barcelona famously do it with David Beckham a few years ago?

And a fair few others

 

[LamieRobertson]

v Leeds second half - 2-0 down up to 3-2 up to 3-3
last 25 minutes v Palace - 1-0 up t 3-1 down
first 75 v ipswich - 3-1 down when he wnt off and it ended that way
Whole game v hull 0-0
last 25 v leicester - 0-0 when he came on, we won 1-0
last 30 v leeds - 0-0 when he came on, won 2-1
last 30 v portsmouth - 0-0 when he came on, won 2-0
first 75 v blackpool - 2-1 down when he went off, lost 3-1
first 84 v derby - 2-0 up when he went off, stayed 2-0
first 79 v forest - 1-0 up when he went off, ended 1-1
all v middlesbrough - ended 1-1
all v burnley - ended 0-1
all v reading - ended 0-1
first 66 v west ham - 0-5 down when he went off, ended 0-6
last 38 v watford - 1-2 down whn he came on, ended 2-2
all v birmingham - ended 1-1
all v barnsley - ended 0-0


Even those don't necessarily tell the story, some teams score on the break so maybe get goals when no playing well, or concede on the break when they are dominating. I wonder if it's something about how we play, with people more interested in letting him win the game than play their part, or if we just become one dimensional with him etc.

U could say we were one dimensional without him with our midfield lacking the necessary craft and guile to create chances

 

[macky]

Hang on a sec.... We knew he was injury prone before we got him, therfore any medical issues that go with that are down to the club not the player. We took the chance on him and we paid the docs to get him sorted. end of!! we knew the risks and as far as i am aware he owes us NOTHING. Dont pretend this isnt true either.

maybe they the club saw as a risk worth taking And that if they could fet him fit it was money w1ell spent for A TWO YEAR CONTRACT . It was a gamble f*** would would you sell your winning lotto ticket back to the shop for a pound

 

[Hungry Joe]

I conducted a currently popular form of speculation experiment using one of my neighbour's cats yesterday, David. She's actually called Daisy but I refuse to call her anything other than David due to her having two different coloured eyes and the general demeanour of the Thin White Duke. Here's what happened; I placed a bowl of dry cat food next tol a bowl of traditional wet smelly stuff and said to David "If you chose the dry then this means Vicente will not be an Albion player this coming season, but, if you choose the wet first it means he will be playing for Brighton, possibly under a new and improved contract". David looked at me quizzically for a moment before turning around, walking under the bay tree and doing a foul smelling shit, leaving both bowls of food untouched. Read into this what you will dear readers.

 

[Crispy Ambulance]

I conducted a currently popular form of speculation experiment using one of my neighbour's cats yesterday, David. She's actually called Daisy but I refuse to call her anything other than David due to her having two different coloured eyes and the general demeanour of the Thin White Duke. Here's what happened; I placed a bowl of dry cat food next tol a bowl of traditional wet smelly stuff and said to David "If you chose the dry then this means Vicente will not be an Albion player this coming season, but, if you choose the wet first it means he will be playing for Brighton, possibly under a new and improved contract". David looked at me quizzically for a moment before turning around, walking under the bay tree and doing a fowl smelling shit, leaving both bowls of food untouched. Read into this what you will dear readers.

It probably means that the cat wasn't hungry having recently demolished a bargain bucket from KFC!

 

[Hungry Joe]

It probably means that the cat wasn't hungry having recently demolished a bargain bucket from KFC!

Are you friends with the real David Bowie? Do you know for a fact he prefers KFC to Burger King? Don't come on here spouting your speculative rubbish without PROOF!

Haha, good one though, just spotted the typo.

 

[Crispy Ambulance]

No, I'm not but my best mate was doing some stuff with The Stray Cats a few years back and Bowie was in the next studio. Bowie couldn't sing for toffee but was very close 'friends' with Iggy Pop. Pirlo looks like he could have been a roadie for Iggy so I'm going all in on Italy tonight!

 

[Triggaaar]

I conducted a currently popular form of speculation experiment using one of my neighbour's cats yesterday, David. She's actually called Daisy but I refuse to call her anything other than David due to her having two different coloured eyes and the general demeanour of the Thin White Duke. Here's what happened; I placed a bowl of dry cat food next tol a bowl of traditional wet smelly stuff and said to David "If you chose the dry then this means Vicente will not be an Albion player this coming season, but, if you choose the wet first it means he will be playing for Brighton, possibly under a new and improved contract". David looked at me quizzically for a moment before turning around, walking under the bay tree and doing a foul smelling shit, leaving both bowls of food untouched. Read into this what you will dear readers.

Nice experiment.

It probably means that the cat wasn't hungry having recently demolished a bargain bucket from KFC!

Good spot.

 

[bhawoddy]

U could say we were one dimensional without him with our midfield lacking the necessary craft and guile to create chances

exactly this.

Anyone who thinks our team is worse with vicente in it is brain dead.

Unfortunately for him, he didnt have the required quality around him to make us decent. Most of the other robotic players just were'nt on the same wavelength as this man. Simple really.

 

[making plans for nigel]

Some of the back tracking on here is hilarious ! From legend to he isn't all that anyway !! If he doe's re sign for you again, he will be the greatest ever weed player again !

 

[bhawoddy]

maybe they the club saw as a risk worth taking And that if they could fet him fit it was money w1ell spent for A TWO YEAR CONTRACT . It was a gamble f*** would would you sell your winning lotto ticket back to the shop for a pound

I agree entirely, but the message from Gus was that he wouldnt stand in his way if he decided he didnt want to stay.

This is a sign of the times unfortunately. A gentelmans agreement means nothing to people these days. Years ago you would have been thought of in a very different light if you went back on a hand shake or verbal aggreement.

But what we hear and what goes on behind the scenes are 2 verydifferent things, it would appear.

 

[Cheeky Monkey]

I conducted a currently popular form of speculation experiment using one of my neighbour's cats yesterday, David. She's actually called Daisy but I refuse to call her anything other than David due to her having two different coloured eyes and the general demeanour of the Thin White Duke. Here's what happened; I placed a bowl of dry cat food next tol a bowl of traditional wet smelly stuff and said to David "If you chose the dry then this means Vicente will not be an Albion player this coming season, but, if you choose the wet first it means he will be playing for Brighton, possibly under a new and improved contract". David looked at me quizzically for a moment before turning around, walking under the bay tree and doing a foul smelling shit, leaving both bowls of food untouched. Read into this what you will dear readers.

Shiver me timbers! Our male cat is called Daisy (also known as 'that black baby boy' cuz he's black and a boy and the size of a baby)

 

[ATFC Seagull]

I agree entirely, but the message from Gus was that he wouldnt stand in his way if he decided he didnt want to stay.

This is a sign of the times unfortunately. A gentelmans agreement means nothing to people these days. Years ago you would have been thought of in a very different light if you went back on a hand shake or verbal aggreement.

But what we hear and what goes on behind the scenes are 2 verydifferent things, it would appear.

I think the turning point, as mentioned above, is the bit where he has led us up the garden path, and THEN decided he wants to go. I can't believe Gus had said he was 95% sure he would sign for no reason.

 

[Stumpy Tim]

Some of the back tracking on here is hilarious ! From legend to he isn't all that anyway !! If he doe's re sign for you again, he will be the greatest ever weed player again !

Unfortunately, this. If he doesn't sign I'll be gutted. He's the best player I've ever seen in the Stripes

 

[Not Andy Naylor]

I agree entirely, but the message from Gus was that he wouldnt stand in his way if he decided he didnt want to stay.

This is a sign of the times unfortunately. A gentelmans agreement means nothing to people these days. Years ago you would have been thought of in a very different light if you went back on a hand shake or verbal aggreement.

But what we hear and what goes on behind the scenes are 2 verydifferent things, it would appear.

Any gentlemen's agreement would, I presume, have been between Vicente and Gus, not Vicente and TB or David Burke.

As The Godfather teaches us, Vito Corleone may have promised the Five Families not to take revenge for the death of Santino, but that didn't mean that Michael Corleone couldn't.

 

[Ernest]

Unfortunately, this. If he doesn't sign I'll be gutted. He's the best player I've ever seen in the Stripes

How many Albion games have you seen ? He is not even in the Top 10 of best Albion players ever