I'm disappointed that my taxes have gone on your education, as the money was clearly wasted.
I'm So glad my taxes are paying for this, what a piss take.
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I'm disappointed that my taxes have gone on your education, as the money was clearly wasted.
Try and put a point across, I could sit here and fire sniper bullets at you too.
If you have a view to add to the discussion give it a go have more confidence .......
Certainly, I'm not a fan of medical tourism, as it is inequitable and fuels the paranoia and self pity that bigots thrive on.
However, compared to the scandal of PFI and corporate tax dodging, it is an insignificant speck compared to the ballooning public sector deficit. There are far bigger fish to fry, but these fish don't involve foreigners, especially black ones.
Oh come on, why oh why do you have to bring racism into it, it is so boring and so irrelevant.
You have just said yourself you dont agree with health tourism but somehow you vainly veto yourself from the same charge.
I have vigorously offered a view, to me it seems quite reasonable, some may disagree.
You then do a snipey one liner that didn't really make sense especially in light of you admitting you agree to a point with my view.
You shouldn't be so prejudice against posters its unhealthy especially from a moderator, are you one ??
I might agree too with your view on PFI and or tax evasion, but this thread was not about that.
But again you probably think your a libertarian, but my friend tonight you come across as a slightly bitter prejudiced guy who unfairly branded another poster a racist.
Shameful really.
You have just said yourself you dont agree with health tourism but somehow you vainly veto yourself from the same charge.
I have vigorously offered a view, to me it seems quite reasonable, some may disagree.
You then do a snipey one liner that didn't really make sense especially in light of you admitting you agree to a point with my view.
You shouldn't be so prejudice against posters its unhealthy especially from a moderator, are you one ??
I might agree too with your view on PFI and or tax evasion, but this thread was not about that.
But again you probably think your a libertarian, but my friend tonight you come across as a slightly bitter prejudiced guy who unfairly branded another poster a racist.
Shameful really.
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http://www.mhpc.com/blog/health-tourism-it-problem
Quite an interesting article here about this subject suggesting that as has been pointed out already Health Tourism isn't really as a big a problem as some would make out. In fact compared to some other issues (which aren't allowed to be discussed on this thread) it could be seen as smoke and mirrors to deflect attention to what we should really be worried about.
http://gulfnews.com/news/world/uk/furore-over-health-service-misuse-1.833073
The cost of her treatment and the care for her five babies on a neonatal unit will be close to £200,000. As a Nigerian national she is not eligible to free treatment on the NHS, but it is highly unlikely she will ever pay back the money.
As it says here the lady in question was not eligible for treatment on the NHS but received the treatment anyway.
Could I ask how else the doctors and hospitals should have handled this case? I like the idea that the NHS will treat first and worry about payment later, but then I am a bleeding heart liberal who cares about people.
Quite an interesting article here about this subject suggesting that as has been pointed out already Health Tourism isn't really as a big a problem as some would make out. In fact compared to some other issues (which aren't allowed to be discussed on this thread) it could be seen as smoke and mirrors to deflect attention to what we should really be worried about.
http://gulfnews.com/news/world/uk/furore-over-health-service-misuse-1.833073
The cost of her treatment and the care for her five babies on a neonatal unit will be close to £200,000. As a Nigerian national she is not eligible to free treatment on the NHS, but it is highly unlikely she will ever pay back the money.
As it says here the lady in question was not eligible for treatment on the NHS but received the treatment anyway.
Could I ask how else the doctors and hospitals should have handled this case? I like the idea that the NHS will treat first and worry about payment later, but then I am a bleeding heart liberal who cares about people.
Jimbo.GRFC
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Big gully.....El Presidente can be summed up by the fact he has his internet name on the back of his Albion shirt at home games. Sad, so very, very sad. Grow up El Pred as they say on the street
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Big gully.....El Presidente can be summed up by the fact he has his internet name on the back of his Albion shirt at home games. Sad, so very, very sad. Grow up El Pred as they say on the street
Did someone say snipey one liners (okay maybe three liners).
Jimbo.GRFC
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Given that little rant of yours, the topics discussed are clearly not relevant to you on a personal level. If you have children then 1. you will be upset, 2. IF you pay tax, especially at the higher rate, then once again you must not be happy. Can I borrow your curtains please as it seems when you open them, the birds are singing sweet songs as the sun rises in YOUR world
On a humane front I kinda understand why she is here, but the system should not of facilitated her preference to enter the UK
But I have tried to articulate that any amount of non British/Eu care, inevitably sucks out funding from the system.
We wont/can't continue to 'top up' the funding, so someone loses.
It would be fantastic if we could feed and care for the world, but we can't, I think we are skint.
The NHS has always prioritised and we do today more than ever, that's why in my view, this Nigerian lady had no right to access our NHS that now have less budget to deliver care to others.
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Probably nothing to do with curtains Jimbo. You can choose to hear the birds singing and the sun rises on all of us, some of us just choose not to see it.
If you believe that most people are trying to get one over on you I am sure you will find evidence. If you believe that most people are good and reasonable then you will find evidence for that too.
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But how do we not facilitate her preference? She has clearly exploited a loophole here. one of the links I posted earlier, el presidente and ForkMe's posts suggested that those exploiting these loopholes were not significant enough to worry about. So the question is what is the alternative?
brightonrock
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Well thankyou for that spectacularly patronising aside, you stuck-up prick. How's life on your ivory tower, looking down at all us plebs? FWIW, my post wasn't a rant, I deliberately offered NO OPINION either way on this case. Here, let me point it out for you:
I have no interest in providing an opinion myself as any thread titled "my taxes pay for this" inevitably descends into this and there is no place for debate either for or against, only it would seem petulant name-calling...
Whether I agree with you that it's a disgrace or with the other side that she should be allowed the treatment, I didn't offer an opinion because some keyboard warrior like yourself would crawl out from behind a rock and try to twist my words (as 9 pages of deliberate manipulation of each other's points would prove).
There are far, far more troublesome things to get worked up about in this world. Maybe YOU should open the curtains. You never know, there might be sunshine and birds singing. Or CMS might wander past your window with LuaLua and Henri Lansbury in tow on rollerskates. Either way, chill the f*** out and stop attacking people who have a different view to you. If you are completely incapable of operating in a sensible and civil adult conversation where two people can discuss a subject with different opinions, you shouldn't open your mouth in the first place.
Jimbo.GRFC
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Who clearly tries to trap people in your wording of said situation, Your last comment was exactly the point I was making last night, our doctors/nurses/consultants, porters etc believe passionately in the service they provide 24 x 7. I would never condone sending the family home, that can be self efficient should her husband return, work and pay for their offspring, The appointment of immigration solicitors like Mr Dado suggests otherwise (Goodnight Citizen Smith)
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Sorry Jimbo I don't really understand the point you are trying to make here. I don't remember you making any point similar to my last one (maybe you could quote it for me). I was simply asking how you would have handled the case. Then putting forward the point that it was (at hospital level) handled in a way I would be pretty happy with.
Big gully.....El Presidente can be summed up by the fact he has his internet name on the back of his Albion shirt at home games. Sad, so very, very sad. Grow up El Pred as they say on the street
Really, when was that, 2001?
1. I have children
2. I pay tax at the higher rate
3. I am happy, but then I'm not a sectarian bigot
34064 Fighter Command
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I think the real reason NSC's local Fascists have started to wet themselves over this is because it's about a Black person. They never admit it in public, but in reality they'd rather they all stayed in the colonies, serving their white imperial rulers like they always used to - must keep the natives in their place.
One of these kids might just discover the cure for cancer - personally, what disgusts me is the way 5 kids of only a few days old are condemmed for the very fact of daring to actually come into this world and being given the right to life.
You lot should be celebrating the arrival of a new human into this world - Jesus said ' suffer the little children to come unto me '. No mention of race, creed or colour there.
NSC - hang your collective heads in shame.
One of these kids might just discover the cure for cancer - personally, what disgusts me is the way 5 kids of only a few days old are condemmed for the very fact of daring to actually come into this world and being given the right to life.
You lot should be celebrating the arrival of a new human into this world - Jesus said ' suffer the little children to come unto me '. No mention of race, creed or colour there.
NSC - hang your collective heads in shame.
bhaexpress
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Big gully.....El Presidente can be summed up by the fact he has his internet name on the back of his Albion shirt at home games. Sad, so very, very sad. Grow up El Pred as they say on the street
That is really rich coming from you of all people, well done, how to make an even bigger arse of yourself in two sentences.
34064 Fighter Command
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Because there are now 5 wonderful new lifes in the world, and I hope that each one of them has more fullfilling life than the one that's turned you into the grouchy old Victor Meldrew clone you've become.
bhaexpress
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Whatever the rights or wrongs of this matter it is time that all foreign aid is reviewed, be it Africans being treated on the NHS or Indians being sent aid (let alone bailing out the likes of Greece). Why ? We are now being told that there are plans afoot to cap benefit payments to £500 a week. That may sound like a lot to many but if you have a family and have to house them it's not, especially if you live in the South East. No doubt there are many worthy causes that need money but frankly we should be looking after our own citizens first.