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As for the booing, that's a very weak example, did you watch any England football game in the last european competiton qualification group where we failed to progress?

Did you watch the, I think, Kazakstan(?) game earlier this year (when a silly back pass from Ashley Cole led to us conceding a goal)?

Truly british fans, english born and bred, booed the players.

i think the booing is a f***ing typical example to be honest , as for england fans booing england players, are you deliberately missing the point ? booing your own players is nothing like booing the (supposedly ) foreign players , like the (supposedly) indian fans did at thee cricket, as the england players proved , the booing just fired them up.( wanker england fans who boo foreign national anthems take note)

 

[Acker79]

So your problem is with them booing the opponents of their favourite team? Then it goes back to my initial point about us never agreeing on the use of sporting allegience to determine national identity.

 

[Simster]

So your problem is with them booing the opponents of their favourite team? Then it goes back to my initial point about us never agreeing on the use of sporting allegience to determine national identity.

Are you deliberately missing his point? Only you are talking woolly bollocks.

His point is that he doesn't like English people booing English players especially while supporting a foreign team - a team made of up of players who do not share their national citizenship. What the f*** is your point?

 

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Fair enough. I think you're in the minority there. And I think its easier to say than do - if you were in Australia and your son wanted an England shirt for the Ashes, would you really say "no, I'm English but you're Australian"?

I don't see why either, provided you are still contributing to the system and abiding by the laws and customs of your new country, that you should reject your own heritage.

I think an important difference as well is that in that situation, you would more likely be making a positive choice to move to that country - not a necessary one forced upon you by circumstances.

i am on about second and third generation irish here, as i suspect you know,go to australia and you will see that supoporting the australian national team is actively encouraged , a la andrew symonds etc, i worked with abloke who was born here and lived here until he was ten, but subsequently moved to australia and now considered himself 100% australian, anyhow , with the high amount of inwards immigration that ireland is now experiencing your strongly held convictions might actually be put to the test for once.

 

[ATFC Seagull]

i am on about second and third generation irish here, as i suspect you know,go to australia and you will see that supoporting the australian national team is actively encouraged , a la andrew symonds etc, i worked with abloke who was born here and lived here until he was ten, but subsequently moved to australia and now considered himself 100% australian, anyhow , with the high amount of inwards immigration that ireland is now experiencing your strongly held convictions might actually be put to the test for once.

The Australia example is difficult because its an immigrant culture + identity - built on multiculturalism and varied backgrounds - you can be Australian as well as your country of origin. Likewise USA.

Whereas the history of (for example) Ireland and England means that someone who has Irish background and citizenship is unlikely to be able to consider themselves suddenly to be of a different race and therefore background and history. As for the 2nd/3rd generation thing, I think thats an irrelevancy. I was automatically an Irish citizen on birth and so will my children be (should they choose it). Identity shouldn't be lost or watered down.

I have no problem with legal immigration into Ireland, and they can assimilate into the culture or keep their own - provided they contribute to the system like anyone else there.

 

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The Australia example is difficult because its an immigrant culture + identity - built on multiculturalism and varied backgrounds - you can be Australian as well as your country of origin. Likewise USA.

Whereas the history of (for example) Ireland and England means that someone who has Irish background and citizenship is unlikely to be able to consider themselves suddenly to be of a different race and therefore background and history. As for the 2nd/3rd generation thing, I think thats an irrelevancy. I was automatically an Irish citizen on birth and so will my children be (should they choose it). Identity shouldn't be lost or watered down.

I have no problem with legal immigration into Ireland, and they can assimilate into the culture or keep their own - provided they contribute to the system like anyone else there.

agree with you about the USA but not about australia,you are very much encouraged to be australian, full stop. as for people coming here ? i think its up to us and nobody else how we would like people to integrate and what identity we would like them to adopt, its not up to people from ireland moving over here and cheerfully telling us that we will keep our irish identity and citizenship for umpteen generations thank you very much, to which we are fully entitled to say (imo) if you want to be irish/indian/pakistani/ etc that much , then why not go and f***ing live there ?