Mark McGhee - Brighton legend or bellend?

[Guy Fawkes]

Wasn't that what Wilkins was doing with Robinson and Cox lat season?

When did they play together as strikers, and Wilkins has tried to get the team passing it rather than hoof it as they did under Mcghee

Good outweights the bad IMHO

Only way that would happen is good was in lead and bad in feathers, and then it would still be close IMO

Mill Stad - nuff said

fair enough we got there (just - twice / league campaign scraped in & semi final against Swindon scraped through) I don't remember many if any games where we played good attacking football reguardless of division we were in

after all steve gritt's second sesaon didn't last long but still

Very different situation, in terms of 1)- what Gritt achieved & 2)- off the field difficulties with protests, take-overs, loss of home ground, thieving board etc - hardly a fair comparison

and SHOWEda real passion for the club when he was here (unlike his replaccement)

I must have missed that fleeting second, all i can remember is him complaining about how bad his squad was, etc.. and how, if we lost, it was never down to anything he did, ever!!! The only thing i believe he liked about the club was that some fans brought his gullable sh_t and believed the reason we played such poor football, (even in the promo season) was down to lack of funds and wrong players, yet when Coppell left we were top, so what changed them from being good enough to lead the div. to so poor that he openly critisized them in the press etc leading most to put in transfer requests including - McCammon, Knight, and later CKR, obviously a wise move making way for the likes of the defender Virgo to lead the line, especially when claiming publically that you have no strikers at the club, it didnt seem to matter if you scored, next game you were lucky to even be on the bench under McGhee, also why was the teams top scorer being left out of the match day squad when fit.

 

[Renns]

got us up kept us up

then got us relegated

 

[withdeanwombat]

Decent manager,best ever chant,hounded out.


But in the past.Lucky Motherwell.

 

[dougdeep]

Neither.

 

[Skaville]

I would have voted for a fence, but had to go bellend. His reign decended into farce. Sadly, Stoke at home will be my abiding memory of Mark McGhee.

 

[chez]

Good for the club!!! - his teams played such dire football that the crowds vanished, and are still to return, how was that good for the club?

Think you'll find the crowds only started going down after he was sacked. Says it all really.[/

 

[surrey jim]

mid way, a good manager, promotion but some of his tactics were dreadful.

best of luck if he gets the Scotland job...... but i hope he fucks them up

 

[Albion Dan]

Mr Fawkes

Don't want to make you look like a total BUFOON but by the time McGhee took over we were nowhere near the top of the table after Booker had taken us on a massive losing streak and down the table as caretaker manager.

Crowds were still fairly healthy under Mcghee at the beginning of last season.

 

[Yorkie]

First home game of the season 2006/07 = 6643 MM
First home game of the season 2007/08 = 5137 DW

 

[zefarelly]

Bob Marley is a legend

Mark Maghee couldn't be further detatched in every respect

 

[Barrel of Fun]

First home game of the season 2006/07 = 6643 MM
First home game of the season 2007/08 = 5137 DW

There are a whole variety of factors that affect the attendances. We must also remember that last season was always going to be a tough one and the football was atrocious at times. DW had to rebuild and it was going to take time - we are certainly moving in the right direction footballwise.

 

[Yorkie]

I wasn't offering an opinion or excuses. Just facts.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

And I commented on the facts.

 

[Guy Fawkes]

Mr Fawkes

Don't want to make you look like a total BUFOON but by the time McGhee took over we were nowhere near the top of the table after Booker had taken us on a massive losing streak and down the table as caretaker manager.

Crowds were still fairly healthy under Mcghee at the beginning of last season.

I think it started the current trend towards our low crowds, i'll explain why, I think that McGhee's team towards the end of his time as manager was poor in terms of experienced players fans would want to watch, alot of which (with the same skin tone coincidently) fell out with McGhee and left cheaply, (Knight and CKR were much better players than the transfer fees we recieved would suggest, which were not replaced, they did not get sold to meet the costs towards Falmer, but because they questioned McGhee and his thinking, like CKR who asked why the clubs top scorer couldn't even get in the squad, why despite being played out of position, why he was subbed after being brought on as a sub at half time himself. (for CKR to be picked as a winger when the fans are told we have no strikers at the club is a joke to me, especially as he played in the Premiership straight after leaving and now a full Turkish international footballer).

I found the crowd to have lost it's enthusiasm under McGhee, there was this atmosphere of defeatism and no passion, willing the team on for survival the prevfious season, and an exceptance of his constant conveyor belt of excuses as to why we struggled every game, a real apathy coupled with dire football and no real names left to excite the fans.

I know a lot of people who decided not to renew their season ticket before Wilkins took over because they felt unhappy about the poor atmosphere, dire style of football and lack of star name players worth watching. If you don't renew, and find the quality low, would you seriously want to go every game?

Unfortunately for Wilkins, he arrived in the job after the transfer window closed and was stuck with a far worse team than Mcghee started with, who were also low on confidence, (a major rebuilding job needed) followed by a large number of injuries to key players - Had Wilkins taken over from someone like Adams for Coppell, someone who could man manage keep players happy to play for us, then i think the crowds we get now would be alot higher than now especially if he continued to do as he does now, which is to get the players performing, and working together as a team and fighting for each other and the club.

 

[Stumpy Tim]

After he kept us up against all the odds, and then sold Virgo for 1.5m, there was a poll on NSC about the best EVER manager - and he did well. 18 months later people started calling him a bellend. Short memories.

MM took us to the Millenium Stadium, and kept us in the Championship with a poor team. He also introduced a lot of the youngsters who make up today's team - Hammond, El Abd, Robinson, Cox to name a few. And how he got 1.5m for Virgo is beyond me.

He wasn't the greatest manager, and he certainly lost the plot towards the end, but he did an excellent job for the Albion in very difficult circumstances. It's generally agreed that Wilkins is doing a good job, but he hasn't achieved anything yet... MM did take us up, and he did keep us up for a season.... If Wendy can do the same then I would take my hat off to him - because with our squad and current situation it's very difficult to do

 

[Yorkie]

Knight and CKR were much better players than the transfer fees we recieved would suggest,

We were lucky to get the money we did for Knight especially after he imploded in a similar way at Swansea and they got next to nothing for him. He's hardly setting the world alight at MKDons. CKR's money was about right for what he had achieved at that time.

I found the crowd to have lost it's enthusiasm under McGhee, there was this atmosphere of defeatism and no passion, willing the team on for survival the prevfious season, and an exceptance of his constant conveyor belt of excuses as to why we struggled every game, a real apathy coupled with dire football and no real names left to excite the fans.
I know a lot of people who decided not to renew their season ticket before Wilkins took over because they felt unhappy about the poor atmosphere, dire style of football and lack of star name players worth watching. If you don't renew, and find the quality low, would you seriously want to go every game?

As shown in my previous post the crowds didn't drop after relegation. They did drop this last summer after surviving a relegation battle.

Unfortunately for Wilkins, he arrived in the job after the transfer window closed and was stuck with a far worse team than Mcghee started with, who were also low on confidence, (a major rebuilding job needed)

A year ago following wins at Huddersfield and Bradford we were comfortably in 11th place in the league and only 3 points off a play off spot.
http://www.seagulls.premiumtv.co.uk/page/LeagueTable/0,,10433~20061104,00.html

As Stumpy Tim has posted, people have short memories and only remember what they want to remember.

 

[Icy Gull]

The drop in crowds has nothing to do with McGhee or Wilkins management imo, just that so many season ticket holders decided against renewing, knowing they could buy a ticket for 90% of the games. Once you get out of the habit of going week in week out it soon becomes easy to decide not to bother, unless what is on offer is a good team playing good football. Even though we are doing ok, the football is still a bit patchy, which is to be expected really.

Time some people took a reality check. No money, Withdean, Falmer delays and false dawns have all taken their toll. Both MM and DW have done brilliant jobs in the circumstances. A couple of seasons in the Championship followed by a reasonably comfortable survival and a potential play off push are way beyond what we could reasonably have expected. Plenty of other teams with better resources haven't done as well. The Brighton fans are a bloody demanding lot.

The timing of the arrival of the extra seats has more to do with the fall off in crowds than MM or DW ironically

 

[jonny.rainbow]

(for CKR to be picked as a winger when the fans are told we have no strikers at the club is a joke to me, especially as he played in the Premiership straight after).

He was playing on the wing for Sheff Utd, when he got a game last season.

 

[Buzzer]

Legend is a phrase bandied around far too freely. McGhee could NEVER be described as a legend.

Bellend is a fine word to describe a complete idiot who has lost the respect of the dressing room, the fans and the board. I reckon that makes McGhee a bellend.

 

[Icy Gull]

Legend is a phrase bandied around far too freely. McGhee could NEVER be described as a legend.

Bellend is a fine word to describe a complete idiot who has lost the respect of the fans

The noisy minority of fans is what you meant to type I'm sure

I and I'm sure quite a few others still have the utmost respect for the man, especially his oft expressed loyalty and passion for the club.