Mark McGhee - Brighton legend or bellend?

[Yorkie]

firstly 5 out of how many?

There's 11 players in a football team. I thought you would have learned that at school.

 

[Yorkie]

Wilkins has managed to replace the majority of McGhee's squad with youth team players or low cost signings (including Bas Savage) and we are on a magnificent run. What's your point?

My point is that McGhee brought the youth team players through, not Wilkins. Cox, El Abd, Robinson (although he was given his debut in a cup game by Coppell, his league debut was with MM) Hammond and Lynch.
McGhee also brought through Virgo and Harding making a tidy sum of money for the club when we desperately needed it to stay afloat.

 

[Guy Fawkes]

why do people have to be so polarised about mcghee? his reign was clearly one of two halfs. he done well, got promotion, built up a strong team and brought in strong players. but, he has a big ego himself, and he clashed with some of those egos he brought in, ultimatly loosing the dressing room.

the wierd tactics, teams and substitutions seemed inspired when winning, but some only remember them when we lost. the funny thing is, according to my Millwall work mate, it was exactly the same there.

i cant see how, on balance, any Brighton fan can not simply sit on the fence over McGhee, got the results that mattered but then f***ed it up himself. but comparing playoffs and adam virgo up front (remember the leicester goal?) vs relegation and falling out with Knight and CKR, id rather remember the good.

Unfortunately for McGhee, he seems to be a reasonable manager short term, but fails to be able to continue want he started, maybe he can only build on what other people have started, and can only go so far before things start going wrong big time.

I think he has a tendancy with his style of managing of upsetting players, (heard from a source in dressing room, that McGhee was someone who didn't like people questioning his decisions, those that did, he forced out, (like McCammon having to travel back from an away game with the kit, as he was told he couldn't travel on the team coach, this to a player he described as the difference between staying up or going down the previous year, (esp. as we only had limited options up front) and maybe this is why he can't continue to be as successfull as he was when he first starts at a team.

I have often wondered if he would have gained promotion in his first season in charge if he had to manage the whole season, as our challenge seemed to be dropping off at the end, and we were very lucky to go up, sneeking into the play-offs, and got lucky during them?

 

[Yorkie]

Unfortunately for McGhee, he seems to be a reasonable manager short term, but fails to be able to continue want he started, maybe he can only build on what other people have started, and can only go so far before things start going wrong big time.

I think he has a tendancy with his style of managing of upsetting players, (heard from a source in dressing room, that McGhee was someone who didn't like people questioning his decisions, those that did, he forced out, (like McCammon having to travel back from an away game with the kit, as he was told he couldn't travel on the team coach, this to a player he described as the difference between staying up or going down the previous year,

Yes, he did say he made the difference the season before (at the Fans Forum) because of the points he had gained by his goals.
What manager wants a player on the coach who had threatened the team captain in the dressing room at half time? He was told he could travel back with the kit, he refused and caught the train.

 

[Guy Fawkes]

There's 11 players in a football team. I thought you would have learned that at school.

So Wilkins lost the use of over half of the first choice players that McGhee had, therefore if the players he was left with were not as good or as experienced, which they weren't, doesn't that mean that Wilkins was left with a poorer squad than McGhee had?

I am also talking about the players McGhee had during his three year reign, decent enough players that he couldn't get the best out of like Knight, CKR, McCammon, etc....

Also can't you see if you look back into the second half of last season, that we were close to the play-offs, but injury affected our team selection, maybe if they had stayed fit, we would be talking about Brighton being a Championship team again this season.

 

[Guy Fawkes]

Yes, he did say he made the difference the season before (at the Fans Forum) because of the points he had gained by his goals.
What manager wants a player on the coach who had threatened the team captain in the dressing room at half time? He was told he could travel back with the kit, he refused and caught the train.

But don't you try to solve the problem through disaplinary lines first before saying that he is never going to play for the club again, especially when we are a club punching above our weight, with a small squad. There have been many bust ups between players at other clubs, but it was dealt with at the time by fines & warnings, not by humiliating him and forcing him out.

 

[Yorkie]

When it is an anonymous vote, McGhee - legend is winning by 2 to 1.

The good outweighs the bad. Most managers have lost their jobs or moved on within two years (the average life span of any manager at a club is 18 months to 24 months)

 

[Skaville]

When it is an anonymous vote, McGhee - legend is winning by 2 to 1.

The good outweighs the bad. Most managers have lost their jobs or moved on within two years (the average life span of any manager at a club is 18 months to 24 months)

http://www.northstandchat.biz/showthread.php?t=115373

 

[British Bulldog]

I guess he is a bit of a bellend for not walking away after keeping us in the championship, He would've allways been held in high regard by the fans and maybe had a bit of legend status. As it was he stayed and gave us a season of relegation and player fall out's and at the end of it deserved the sack.

 

[Yorkie]

http://www.northstandchat.biz/showthread.php?t=115373

A different question and a comparison. This is just on his record.

Btw Mr Fawkes, Wilkins didn't lose the use of over half the players - I quoted 5 of the youth that McGhee brought through. I didn't mention Kuipers and Butters because they were in the squad before McGhee arrived so that leaves 4 players that Wilkins has brought in himself.

 

[Icy Gull]

McGhee stated before his sacking that the season after relegation from the championship was going to be a battle against relegation, NOT a team looking to seek instant promotion. so no wonder Wilkins team struggled either, and Wilkins was appointed after the transfer window shut, and also had to contend with a major injury crisis affecting alot of his senior, experienced players.

Your whole argument collapses when you realise the TRUTH was that Dick Knight said that mid table mediocrity was acceptable whereas McGhee actually said that we should be looking to get promoted and disagreed with Dick Knight.

This came out at some pre-season fans forum, the year after relegation.

What McGhee privately thought or said at the time of his sacking (if he did indeed say it, I have no recollection of that) was because DK did not back him with the money to replace the players sold for 2.5 million at the start of that season.

If Wilkins had to sell the best players in our squad and had to replace them with 18 or 19 year olds do you really believe we wouldn't struggle against relegation?

 

[Icy Gull]

, those that did, he forced out, (like McCammon having to travel back from an away game with the kit, as he was told he couldn't travel on the team coach, this to a player he described as the difference between staying up or going down the previous year, (esp. as we only had limited options up front) and maybe this is why he can't continue to be as successfull as he was when he first starts at a team.

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If you'd seen the lack of effort by McCammon at Burnley and the fact that he had a go at McGhee for suggesting that he try harder, you'd probably feel, as i believe most of the fans there on the day thought, that being chucked of the team coach wasn't such a bad thing. The least you expect of Albion players is that they try and MCammon didn't give a shit that day.

 

[dougdeep]

I think McGhee did his best, sadly it wasn't enough.

 

[Icy Gull]

When it is an anonymous vote, McGhee - legend is winning by 2 to 1.
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Nothing anonymous about the vote on here though?

 

[Icy Gull]

I'll reserve judgement on that until after we have got promoted and spent two seasons in the Championship, QUOTE]

Eh? McGhee inherited Coppell's squad. Wilkins inherited a pile of shite. That's like saying I'll judge any Brighton manger against Jimmy Melia's cup record!

Are you saying that you have no expectations of getting promoted with Wilkins in charge? Hardly a ringing endorsment and how long does McGhee carry the can for this depressing outlook, in your eyes?

I put no time limit on my comment did I?

 

[Guy Fawkes]

Your whole argument collapses when you realise the TRUTH was that Dick Knight said that mid table mediocrity was acceptable whereas McGhee actually said that we should be looking to get promoted and disagreed with Dick Knight.

This came out at some pre-season fans forum, the year after relegation.

What McGhee privately thought or said at the time of his sacking (if he did indeed say it, I have no recollection of that) was because DK did not back him with the money to replace the players sold for 2.5 million at the start of that season.

If Wilkins had to sell the best players in our squad and had to replace them with 18 or 19 year olds do you really believe we wouldn't struggle against relegation?

DK not gives McGhee money to spend, utter rubbish - he had money to spend, but couldn't convince players to sign for us, for example, Tom Brighton who played in Scotland springs to mind, £100K+ bid accepted but player turned it down after talks.

The other point was that McGhees squad became weaker and weaker as he fell out with players and refused to give them any way to redeem themselves but McGhee chose instead to force them out the door without being in a position to replace them, other players at other clubs have flair ups, yet are given a second chance by their club and not forced out when the manager says that he would never play first team football at the club again. If you cant get in new players, don't you have to make use of what you have, not publically criticise week in week out, which to me is poor management.

McGhee didn't have to sell most of the players he lost the services of during his tenure, several who left asked for transfers after falling out with, or getting fed up with the constant insults in the media.