Mark McGhee - Brighton legend or bellend?

[Icy Gull]

Also looking at the poll it's interesting to see that as far as I can see all the people who are closest to the goings on at the club, who post on here, seem to have voted Legend.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Also looking at the poll it's interesting to see that as far as I can see all the people who are closest to the goings on at the club, who post on here, seem to have voted Legend.

To be fair I think some people who voted would have voted somewhere in between if given the choice I should imagine.

 

[NMH]

Also looking at the poll it's interesting to see that as far as I can see all the people who are closest to the goings on at the club, who post on here, seem to have voted Legend.

Could you be a little more boring please?

I looked at the tea-leaves this morning, and they are firmly in favour of all the 'minority' who "loudly shouted" for magoof to get the elbow.

Hooray for Dick Knight, soothsayer, sage of the tealeaves!!

Give us a BREAK icy gull, he was rightly ousted, not before his time either. It was done BY Dick Knight, and he AGREED with the fans he cited MM had lost, or he wouldn't have done it. He's as "close to the goings on at the club" as you can GET!

McGhee stating the Stoke game didn't matter only tabbed one more good reason, but it's put into full focus now. That he didn't look for another job while he was getting paid to sit, tells another excellent story about his raw enthusiasm for the game. He was failing at Brighton, the players reflected it on the pitch, and it was awful stuff to watch. Awful.

Ooops, sorry, I know reality must hurt when it's presented right between the eyes.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Could you be a little more boring please?

I looked at the tea-leaves this morning, and they are firmly in favour of all the 'minority' who "loudly shouted" for magoof to get the elbow.

Hooray for Dick Knight, soothsayer, sage of the tealeaves!!

Give us a BREAK icy gull, he was rightly ousted, not before his time either. It was done BY Dick Knight, and he AGREED with the fans he cited MM had lost, or he wouldn't have done it. He's as "close to the goings on at the club" as you can GET!

McGhee stating the Stoke game didn't matter only tabbed one more good reason, but it's put into full focus now. That he didn't look for another job while he was getting paid to sit, tells another excellent story about his raw enthusiasm for the game. He was failing at Brighton, the players reflected it on the pitch, and it was awful stuff to watch. Awful.

Ooops, sorry, I know reality must hurt when it's presented right between the eyes.

This is all true but Im not sure that makes him a bellend?

 

[Albion Dan]

The timing of the arrival of the extra seats has more to do with the fall off in crowds than MM or DW ironically

And as I said at the time, much to the derision of many of the old club faithful, the implementation of all the extra seats and associated costs were a very bad idea by the time we got round to putting them in. At least 2 season too late and totally beyond requirements based on the time left at Withdean.

 

[Silent Bob]

So says a LOUD voice from the minority who just plain refuses to see the good things he brought

Reminder - promotion ( don't give a shit whose team it was, he achieved it)
One of the best days ever being an Albion fan at the Millenium
A great season with some fabulous results in the Championship, 1st season.
Kept the club afloat with the money from transfers FORCED on him.

I was trying to give this one a miss because it so mind numbingly dull and utterly futile that it wants to make me insert red powers into my skull, but a point this ridiculous can't really be ignored.

"Kept the club afloat with the money from transfers FORCED on him"

So, uh, which is it? Is Mark McGhee our financial saviour who nobly sacrificed his own needs and those of the team to keep us going financially, or is he a poor ill treated man screwed over the by the scroogelike figure of Dick Knight? You can't have it both ways. Personally I think it's neither, McGhee knew the situation, we turned down two offers for Virgo before we sold him (does anyone really think we should have kept him rather than taken the crazy £1.5m offered?), Harding went of his own free will, Currie and Cullip were sold at the time when we seemed in most financial trouble (the latter wasn't even missed at that time with Hinsh and Butters playing well). McGhee had adequate time and resources to replace them in that summer, £250k was spent on Turienzo, £100k on Carole and Frutos, and there was the Coca-Cola money. When was the last manager to spend that much on players? Yet there was no half decent leftback to replace Harding and no half decent striker to replace Virgo (Iwelumo was desperate to come back).

Besides all that anyone who watched us at Luton and Southampton and didn't realise then that we were certainties to go down needs their eyes tested. We went down not so much with a bang as with a whimper.

Is it really that hard to accept that he had lost it, whether it was entirely down to him or the circumstances at the club took their toll, either way he had to go. In truth he is neither of the poll options, he is an average lower league journeyman manager, who gave us some good times and some horrendous ones.

 

[Buzzer]

Also looking at the poll it's interesting to see that as far as I can see all the people who are closest to the goings on at the club, who post on here, seem to have voted Legend.

Eh? One group calls for his head and are dismissed as a vocal minority.

A clique call him a legend and you seem to take their word as gospel. Their views as fans are more important than the previous group of fans because....?

A perception of being nearer to the club but it is just that. Only a perception. They have no more influence over the selection of the team or the tactics we play to ensure we play attractive winning football than the former group. Therefore their views are as irrelevant or as important.

Secondly, just how close to the club are they? Dick Knight owns the club. He sacked McGhee. Looks like DK shared the views of the vocal minority rather than the clique. And I bet DK didn't consult he clique either.

Seems that there's a fair few who have inflated ideas about their "influence". Cheap shot also to dismiss the "McGhee-outers" as not so informed - ergo their views can be dismissed.

Given a choice between the dire boring footie under McGhee, who quite clearly didn't give a toss about the fans, or Deano, who has got us playing free-flowing and attractive footie I'll have Deano and a big 2 fingers up to the clique.

 

[Icy Gull]

I was trying to give this one a miss because it so mind numbingly dull and utterly futile that it wants to make me insert red powers into my skull, but a point this ridiculous can't really be ignored.

"Kept the club afloat with the money from transfers FORCED on him"

So, uh, which is it? Is Mark McGhee our financial saviour who nobly sacrificed his own needs and those of the team to keep us going financially, or is he a poor ill treated man screwed over the by the scroogelike figure of Dick Knight? You can't have it both ways. .

Really? So he wanted to transfer all those players out did he? And it didn't help keep the club afloat?

He could have walked away but he chose to try and work within the constraints.

I can have it both ways, ridiculous as you may think it.

I also accept he lost it and it was probably time to move on, but I choose not to diss everything he did do.

Incidentally, the thread title is a clue to what it's about so why bore yourself reading it if it is so futile?

 

[NMH]

This is all true but Im not sure that makes him a bellend?

Well it certainly doesn't make him a legend.

Anyone looking for reasons to say "he must have been great", he was "constrained by circumstances", and all that other stuff, are trying too desperately to cloud the facts that we can see with our own eyes - the football was poor, the team was not creative, the results weren't good, the potential to improve was not evident, and the football was poor (or did I already mention that?)

That DW has managed - while not being able to make wholesale sweeping changes - to turn things around and serve up much more exciting and interesting football, re-charge the crowd with anticipation, and have players going out to win every match showing some pride and passion, is a total relief. He had a big job on his hands to make anything happen with what he was left with. And he stands by his players, sticks up for them, doesn't rat on them in the papers, and completely makes more sense for this club.

The tea-leaves said he will lead us into the new Stadium.
I recommend this tea, 'Sussex Blend' it's called.

 

[Icy Gull]

Seems that there's a fair few who have inflated ideas about their "influence". Cheap shot also to dismiss the "McGhee-outers" as not so informed - ergo their views can be dismissed.

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I said it was interesting (to me), not sure how that's dismissing those not in your imaginary clique. It's not proof of anything, just an observation

 

[Buzzer]

Then what was the point of your observation? Surely, if they are as you say nearer to the club they MUST be better informed and their views will carry more weight than those further away from the club.

Interesting, as the bloke who is nearest to the club, Dick Knght, seems not to share the views of those who you perceive as close to the club (and therefore him).

Can you see the paradox?

 

[Icy Gull]

Could you be a little more boring please?

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Sorry, try as I might not sure I can compete with you on that front, my world's not black and white as I keep telling you, keeps falling on deaf ears though.

 

[Icy Gull]

Then what was the point of your observation? Surely, if they are as you say nearer to the club they MUST be better informed and their views will carry more weight than those further away from the club.

Interesting, as the bloke who is nearest to the club, Dick Knght, seems not to share the views of those who you perceive as close to the club (and therefore him).

Can you see the paradox?

I'll wait for his vote before deciding and no, it's just that I believe that they MIGHT be a bit more privy to the goings on. if you tell me they're not, then I respect your opinion on it.

 

[Buzzer]

I'll wait for his vote before deciding and no, it's just that I believe that they MIGHT be a bit more privy to the goings on. if you tell me they're not, then I respect your opinion on it.

I'm not trying to be arsey here, honest.

I don't understand the vote comment and you deciding, sorry.

I'm not telling you that they are not privy to the goings on. I don't have an opinion on it. It was the specific point about those considering MM a legend when the person who knows the very most about the club, DK, sacked him. This puts DK at odds with those fans close to the club and perhaps, just perhaps then the group that you identify as close to the club (clique was a bad choice of words, in hindsight) are not that much more informed than the average fan.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

not evident, and the football was poor (or did I already mention that?)

That DW has managed - while not being able to make wholesale sweeping changes - to turn things around and serve up much more exciting and interesting football, re-charge the crowd with anticipation, and have players going out to win every match showing some pride and passion, is a total relief. He had a big job on his hands to make anything happen with what he was left with. And he stands by his players, sticks up for them, doesn't rat on them in the papers, and completely makes more sense for this club.

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For me that backs up the boards choice to get rid of Mcghee, had Wilkins failed I think the board would have been made to look silly, however he hasnt.

 

[Icy Gull]

I'm not trying to be arsey here, honest.

I don't understand the vote comment and you deciding, sorry.

I'm not telling you that they are not privy to the goings on. I don't have an opinion on it. It was the specific point about those considering MM a legend when the person who knows the very most about the club, DK, sacked him. This puts DK at odds with those fans close to the club and perhaps, just perhaps then the group that you identify as close to the club (clique was a bad choice of words, in hindsight) are not that much more informed than the average fan.

As I wasn't too impressed with the way DK went about the sacking, or the fact that he waited until only 6 games into the season, having had all summer to do it may colour my opinions on this. Don't forget that he had , allegedly, immense pressure put on him by other board members to get shot of McGhee and had held out so maybe his views aren't reflected by what he may have been forced to do, against his will?

I just choose, personally, to hold more store by the opinions of those who are closer to the club in terms of working with the club. Those votes seem to suggest that they didn't consider him a bellend.

In retrospect there should definitely have been a middle option, but I set this poll up as a lighthearted pisstake on all the similar legend/bellend polls that we have had the last few days. I really didn't expect there to be so many votes.

 

[Brixtaan]

Anyway the vast majority think he was a legend so why don't the minority just pipe down for a bit.

 

[Silent Bob]

Really? So he wanted to transfer all those players out did he? And it didn't help keep the club afloat?

He could have walked away but he chose to try and work within the constraints.

I can have it both ways, ridiculous as you may think it.

But you can't really. You're saying it as if he is some knight on shining armour financial saviour of the club, while in the same breath saying that the sales were forced upon him. And it wasn't him who turned down two offers for Virgo to get the massive fee we did in the end, it wasn't him making our case at the Harding tribunal and earning us potentially £850k+ (although we only got £500k of that), it was not Mark McGhee who got £250k for two players the wrong side of 30 with contracts running out in the near future.

You are right he could have walked away, but I think that would have done considerable damage to his reputation as he had a reputation for it before he came here.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

But you can't really. You're saying it as if he is some knight on shining armour financial saviour of the club, while in the same breath saying that the sales were forced upon him. And it wasn't him who turned down two offers for Virgo to get the massive fee we did in the end, it wasn't him making our case at the Harding tribunal and earning us potentially £850k+ (although we only got £500k of that), it was not Mark McGhee who got £250k for two players the wrong side of 30 with contracts running out in the near future.

You are right he could have walked away, but I think that would have done considerable damage to his reputation as he had a reputation for it before he came here.

Also why would he walk? He knew the tide was turning against him and would not got his pay off.

 

[NMH]

Sorry, try as I might not sure I can compete with you on that front, my world's not black and white as I keep telling you, keeps falling on deaf ears though.

No, I would say it has way more shades of brown