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[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)



osgood

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Apr 17, 2011
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brighton
He sure is……. Whilst keeping an eye on the rest of Russia….. and Israel ..….whilst protecting Crimea……whilst attacking Ukraine ….. propping up the Russian economy……and coseying up to his few remaining allies. All with a big target on his back!!

If only Trump could see sense.
 










osgood

Well-known member
Apr 17, 2011
1,610
brighton
He sure is……. Whilst keeping an eye on the rest of Russia….. and Israel ..….whilst protecting Crimea……whilst attacking Ukraine ….. propping up the Russian economy……and coseying up to his few remaining allies. All with a big target on his back!!

If only Trump could see sense.
If only Trump hadn't been recruited by the KGB in 1987 !
 
















Eric the meek

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Aug 24, 2020
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I had the sense (maybe wrong) a few months back that Kyiv was being hit less. It's the opposite now.
You can look at this from several angles.

1. He has previous on laying waste to places he attacks. e.g. Grozny, Mariupol.
2. He is throwing the kitchen sink at his war. On day 1209, he is still able to field hundreds of drones and 32 missiles.
3. He sees an opportunity while Trump is occupied by Israel/Iran.
4. He seems to be in a hurry.
5. Despite the variety of hybrid tactics he employs, in crisis mode against a victim fighting back hard, he seems to be reverting to the tried and tested means. This suggests a lack of imagination.
 




raymondo

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Apr 26, 2017
9,931
Wiltshire
You can look at this from several angles.

1. He has previous on laying waste to places he attacks. e.g. Grozny, Mariupol.
2. He is throwing the kitchen sink at his war. On day 1209, he is still able to field hundreds of drones and 32 missiles.
3. He sees an opportunity while Trump is occupied by Israel/Iran.
4. He seems to be in a hurry.
5. Despite the variety of hybrid tactics he employs, in crisis mode against a victim fighting back hard, he seems to be reverting to the tried and tested means. This suggests a lack of imagination.
It's a 'good' list.
Ukraine needs to take out more of the Russian drone factories - I wonder how many there are? Are they centralised or dispersed - no idea.
 




Eric the meek

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Aug 24, 2020
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It's a 'good' list.
Ukraine needs to take out more of the Russian drone factories - I wonder how many there are? Are they centralised or dispersed - no idea.
We know where one is - at Yelabuga/Alabuga (sp.) in Tatarstan, as Ukraine have just hit it again.

I also read somewhere that some components came from Iran. Assuming the Israelis are doing their job and attacking the Iranian counterpart(s), then the output from Yelabuga should shortly be compromised.
 




raymondo

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Apr 26, 2017
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We know where one is - at Yelabuga/Alabuga (sp.) in Tatarstan, as Ukraine have just hit it again.

I also read somewhere that some components came from Iran. Assuming the Israelis are doing their job and attacking the Iranian counterpart(s), then the output from Yelabuga should shortly be compromised.
Yes, I think there's a mix of assembly and manufacturing going on there.
I'm surprised Ukraine hasn't hit it more regularly - maybe it has good air defence?
 




Eric the meek

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Aug 24, 2020
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It's close season and there's no proper football going on, so what better time to do a bit of good old fashioned future-gazing?

I'm guessing that none of us can see into the future, unless one of us is Nostradamus.
So the following is all speculation. All opinion. There's no right or wrong answer, because the future hasn't arrived yet.

How do we think the war is going to end? Is it going to end? Or will it continue ad infinitum? Or is Russia going to end first?
 






fly high

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Aug 25, 2011
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in a house
Ukraine still fighting with one arm tied behind it's back

I know it would probably mean it would cost more for my heating and to fill my car but I am willing to pay it if it helps Ukraine to defeat Russia.
 


SeagullinExile

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Sep 10, 2010
6,417
London
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