[News] Greta Thunberg and the boat

[Thunder Bolt]

Quite correct, I call them Unauthorised Aliens

Anything to de-humanise them. No empathy required.

 

[Justice]

Anyone notice she was flown home?

More clicks = more money for her fair play but people really should stop falling for her stunts.

 

[nevergoagain]

The picture posted isn't totally correct is it ?. Entering the UK without authorisation is an offence under the Immigration Act 1971, Section 24. That said, the legal status of those who do, is that they have a right to claim asylum and have the government assess them.

We've all done this dance before though haven't we ?

 

[Chicken Run]

The picture posted isn't totally correct is it ?. Entering the UK without authorisation is an offence under the Immigration Act 1971, Section 24. That said, the legal status of those who do, is that they have a right to claim asylum and have the government assess them.

We've all done this dance before though haven't we ?

Yep including the fabulous Dublin Agreement which saw how many returned under that arrangement

Only one in every 42 illegal Channel arrivals returned to Europe - Migration Watch UK

Between 1 January 2019 and 1 October 2020, 237 migrants who crossed the English Channel were returned to mainland Europe. This is just over 2% of of just under 10,000 or so people who have been reported illegally crossing the Channel since the start of 2019 (see our Tracker) – only one in every...

www.migrationwatchuk.org

 

[nicko31]

Loads of right wing columnists foaming at the mouth on this one as expected.

A brave selfless young lady. Sadly, only one person can stop the genocide and that's the Donald

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Point of interest, what percentage seek asylum on arrival and what percentage disappear into the country as soon as they arrive?

I suspect the information is available.
Have you tried searching on the internet?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

More clicks = more money for her fair play but people really should stop falling for her stunts.

In what way can one fall?
Unlike Reform, we can't vote for her.

 

[Chicken Run]

Point of interest, what percentage seek asylum on arrival and what percentage disappear into the country as soon as they arrive?

1. North of 90%
2. Those claiming Asylum will be given a phone and registered, then be moved to accommodation where they await their decision, many are out working in the Black Economy though which is abhorrent

 

[nicko31]

Anyone notice she was flown home?

What's your point?

 

[Commander]

What's your point?

Guessing that as she is trying to draw attention to climate change, she should have swum.

 

[Chicken Run]

What's your point?

Maybe (and i can’t be certain nor do i have a view personally) they were suggesting she got her photo opportunity, spread the message and got the f*** out of Dodge?

 

[Papa Lazarou]

Guessing that as she is trying to draw attention to climate change, she should have swum.

Im not sure people being deported get much choice. I don't suppose the people sent to El Salvador from the US could opt for a Disney cruise as their transportation of choice.

 

[Zeberdi]

Just wanted to make the point

Boat was safely afloat, all souls on board wanted to enter Gaza to deliver aid and were denied. So entering Gaza would be illegal and they were deported

Boats across the channel are unsafe, the people are refugees with the intention of entering the UK to claim asylum. It is not illegal. That's why they are not arrested or deported. So calling them illegal immigrants is factually incorrect.

I must be missing something here because I’m not sure the what the thread connection is between a legal protest by Greta and Human Rights NGOs and undocumented migrants crossing the channel and seeking asylum and being rescued from sinking boats?

As you say, neither are ‘illegal’ - nor is rescuing migrants - the only illegal act in these two scenarios is by Israel for intercepting and commandeering a crew & boat flying under a British flag in international waters.

Edit - just to add, even if Greta & crew had got through the blockade, it’s a matter of opinion that landing in Gaza would be illegal.

The Blockade of sea, land and air to Gaza is illegal. Israel are occupying the Gazan enclave illegally. They have no legal right to prevent Gazan refugees from receiving aid delivered directly to Gaza by international relief efforts who are not crossing/landing in the State of Israel or using Israel’s airspace to deliver it.

YES I know it was ‘piracy’ - my post contained a typo ‘legal’ now corrected in bold!

 

[Javeaseagull]

It was Piracy. They were 100 kilometres from Gaza in International Waters. That is Piracy in anyones book. They were detained, taken to Israel and charged with entering the country illegally. Really! They were taken ashore, from International waters and charged with entering illegally. The Israelis think they are above the law and the way they are behaving towards Palestinians they must be. Any word or criticism is met with screams of “Anti-semetism.” It’s pathetic.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

More clicks = more money for her

Yep. Everything about Great Thunberg screams, "trying to make money and build up a massive personal wealth"

 

[carlzeiss]

Well we know that 17k at least are "missing" even the Guardian says that.

Home Office ‘loses’ 17,000 people whose asylum claims were withdrawn

Tory MP queries claims marked withdrawn as government tries to clear backlog by end of year

www.theguardian.com

1. North of 90%
2. Those claiming Asylum will be given a phone and registered, then be moved to accommodation where they await their decision, many are out working in the Black Economy though which is abhorrent

And all Greta was offered was a sandwich and the chance to watch a video nasty , which she respectfully declined .

 

[:J)]

I must be missing something here because I’m not sure the thread connection between a legal protest by Greta and Human Rights NGOs in international waters and undocumented migrants crossing the channel and seeking asylum and being rescued from sinking boats .

As you say, neither are ‘illegal’ - nor is rescuing migrants - the only legal act in these two scenarios is by Israel for incepting and commandeering crew and boat flying under a British flag in international waters - so not sure the reason for the comparison?

Edit - just to add, even if Greta & crew had got through the blockade, it’s a matter of opinion that landing in Gaza would be illegal.

The Blockade is illegal, Israel are occupying Gaza illegally and have no legal right to prevent Gazan refugees from receiving aid delivered directly to Gaza from the Med or air by international relief efforts without crossing/landing in Israel or using Israel’s airspace.

I have no problem with the rest of your post - but as @Javeaseagull indicates, what you're describing here is 'piracy'. Israel and their allies may view this as 'legal' - but then of course they would. The flotilla is of no threat to Israel and all occupants were unarmed.

Here's a BBC article describing how Israel deemed their raid of the Free Gaza Flotilla way back in May 2010 killing nine crew - as perfectly legal. Note the framing of the story by the BBC. The Israeli inquiry judgement is up front and centre, whilst the separate UN Inquiry, saying that the Israeli Navy had shown an "unacceptable level of brutality" is only mentioned fleetingly.

Israel consider their blockade of aid for Gaza as perfectly legal and moral etc, as they have done since the early '90s. And their US, British and European allies don't seem to disagree.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

1. North of 90%
2. Those claiming Asylum will be given a phone and registered, then be moved to accommodation where they await their decision, many are out working in the Black Economy though which is abhorrent

I’m sure you have a link (a reliable one) which shows this.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Yep. Everything about Great Thunberg screams, "trying to make money and build up a massive personal wealth"

Including the French MEP, Rima Hassan, who went with her, and refused to sign the waiver? She is now a prisoner.

 

[nicko31]

Including the French MEP, Rima Hassan, who went with her, and refused to sign the waiver? She is now a prisoner.

A prisoner that was kidnapped in International waters, taken to Israel and refused to sign a document to say she had entered illegally.

https://www.un.org/depts/los/LEGISLATIONANDTREATIES/PDFFILES/isr_eez_northernlimit2011.pdf

NOTE 3: It is hereby clarified that Israel's Territorial Sea extends 12 nm from the baseline, in accordance with Israel's domestic laws and with customary international maritime law.