[Albion] Pervis rumour. Not sure on credibility

[Bozza]

I may have said it earlier, but at the supporters club event Greer seemed very certain he wouldn’t return.

It was certainly suggested to me that there was no way Barco would be appearing in an Abion shirt again.

The January shenanigans, when we seemingly struggled to find another club to take him, but clearly were not going to have him back to help with our own defensive injury crisis kinda reinforces that.

 

[Lady Whistledown]

It was certainly suggested to me that there was no way Barco would be appearing in an Abion shirt again.

The January shenanigans, when we seemingly struggled to find another club to take him, but clearly were not going to have him back to help with our own defensive injury crisis kinda reinforce that.

In the disappointing information vacuum of L'Affaire Barco, I am left with only my own conclusion, which is that either he did a John Terry, or that he got in the shower on day 1 to reveal tattoos of Jean-Phillipe Mateta on his left buttock and Wilfried Zaha on the right.

 

[Invicta]

also, no proof Gyokeres will adapt to PL if he returns.

So Man Utd if he fails to score in first 37 appearances!

 

[John Byrnes Mullet]

None of us know what's gone on there. The facts are: this is a seemingly pretty talented player who the Albion pursued for ages over two transfer windows, and who, after barely any appearances at all, has been loaned out to another club with an obligation to buy for a fee which barely covers our outlay on him.

That alone suggests to me there is more to this than meets the eye. If it was down to him simply not being thought good enough, I'm certain we'd have given him more time and opportunities, either with us or on loan: you don't just write off a player that quickly, especially not when you consider how long it took some of our other signings to settle and start to show their best form. Plus we have other players who are probably less talented than Barco who we've had on the books for a fair while and who realistically aren't thought likely to make the first team. Abdallah Sima, for example. He wasn't hoofed out somewhere after six months and told not to come back. We don't routinely write people off unless it's obvious for some reason that it's not going to work.

Something has gone on here that we will probably never know about, and which has to be more than just Barco being a bit temperamental or cocky at a young age.

Gyökeres was completely different: in his case he wasn't quite up to regular PL football at that stage of his development, and being a confident lad, he wanted to play. He had a fairly unimpressive loan at Swansea, and even his first spell at a mid table Coventry wasn't brilliant, but he did enough for them to take a punt, and it exploded from there for him. But clubs weren't queuing up to sign him when it was decided he was going to be allowed to leave, so it's not even that we missed something obvious that every other PL and top Championship side could see. Sometimes footballers develop later, just like a lot of kids who are incredible at 15/16 years old never make it as pros.

Gyoőkeres was up for the Premier League but Potter didn't think he was. Thankfully Di Zerbi turned up or Mitoma would have been in the same situation.

 

[Barnet Seagull]

It turns out that his Strasbourg showreel presents the opposite to this. An incredibly tenacious young player adept at getting back in position, effective in tackle after tackle and full of tireless running.

The rumours Chelsea want him are clearly justified. He had a stonking 2nd half of the season where he knuckled down and performed admirably by all accounts.



I just hope the club hasn't written him off as quickly as you clearly have!

I haven't written him off, just saying what I've seen so far and I think the TTA comparison highlights the regard I have for him in an attacking/creative sense.
In fairness, that video shared highlights exactly what I have said. He's out of position a lot of the time, having to bust a gut to recover or tackle from the wrong side and with more risk than is necessary. He doesn't play the space behind him well at all.

All of what I've mentioned is coachable with the right attitude.

 

[Hugo Rune]

I haven't written him off, just saying what I've seen so far and I think the TTA comparison highlights the regard I have for him in an attacking/creative sense.
In fairness, that video shared highlights exactly what I have said. He's out of position a lot of the time, having to bust a gut to recover or tackle from the wrong side and with more risk than is necessary. He doesn't play the space behind him well at all.

All of what I've mentioned is coachable with the right attitude.

He mostly played central midfield at Strasbourg as well as left midfield. Never in defence.

But I do agree with your comparison to TTA. He'd need a midfielder covering him if he played LB for us.

 

[timbha]

Why? He's not said the bloke's a knob, merely that he doesn't expect him to return, which considering that he's on loan at a club who have an obligation to buy, seems like fact to me.

As an employee of the club and responsible for monitoring/managing players out on loan, it seems inappropriate for Greer to inform a group of supporters information about a particular player who is out on loan. Surely you will agree that it’s up to the club how such information is communicated, unless of course terms etc had been agreed and Greer was asked to make said communication.

 

[Lady Whistledown]

As an employee of the club and responsible for monitoring/managing players out on loan, it seems inappropriate for Greer to inform a group of supporters information about a particular player who is out on loan. Surely you will agree that it’s up to the club how such information is communicated, unless of course terms etc had been agreed and Greer was asked to make said communication.

Again: Barco was on loan at a club who have an obligation (not an option) to buy, therefore Greer stating that the player won't be coming back is not a personal opinion: it's a fact that is contractually watertight and was already public knowledge thanks to both Brighton & Hove Albion and Strasbourg releasing the news.

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

As an employee of the club and responsible for monitoring/managing players out on loan, it seems inappropriate for Greer to inform a group of supporters information about a particular player who is out on loan. Surely you will agree that it’s up to the club how such information is communicated, unless of course terms etc had been agreed and Greer was asked to make said communication.

Did you see my second post in response?

Nothing was divulged that wasn’t already in the public domain.

 

[AZ Gull]

Again: Barco was on loan at a club who have an obligation (not an option) to buy, therefore Greer stating that the player won't be coming back is not a personal opinion: it's a fact that is contractually watertight and was already public knowledge thanks to both Brighton & Hove Albion and Strasbourg releasing the news.

I agree with your point but being the pedant that I am I don't think that Albion have ever actually acknowledged the obligation to buy - they certainly didn't when the loan was announced.

 

[timbha]

Again: Barco was on loan at a club who have an obligation (not an option) to buy, therefore Greer stating that the player won't be coming back is not a personal opinion: it's a fact that is contractually watertight and was already public knowledge thanks to both Brighton & Hove Albion and Strasbourg releasing the news.

Ok ok. I might have misinterpreted the following as an opinion rather than a fact:

“I may have said it earlier, but at the supporters club event Greer seemed very certain he wouldn’t return”

 

[GT49er]

Ok ok. I might have misinterpreted the following as an opinion rather than a fact:

“I may have said it earlier, but at the supporters club event Greer seemed very certain he wouldn’t return”

Perhaps we'll just buy him back for £20M. Anything to keep NSC happy, eh?

 

[Don Tmatter]

Re Barco. Or anyone who has failed the (laughably still continually droned on about) non dick heads test. Does it matter?

A football manager is there to manage players. They're not all little angels and actually, that's not important. That's Hurzeler's job. He's got to get him to play well on a football pitch.

As Mark McGhee told Hurzeler in that interview the other week

 

[tstanbur]

I may have said it earlier, but at the supporters club event Greer seemed very certain he wouldn’t return.

The other thing, as much as I rate him, I always found it interesting how City backed off…….. but I’m guessing now…..

https://bolavip.com/ar/boca/exclusi...o-por-valentin-barco-20240108-BAR-104147.html

According to this, his attitude was a major reason City didn’t sign him.

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

Gyoőkeres was up for the Premier League but Potter didn't think he was. Thankfully Di Zerbi turned up or Mitoma would have been in the same situation.

Potter gave Mitoma his debut

 

[Justice]

I reckon Lamptey would be a tad easier for the piggy back

You could pop him in the rucksack to make life even easier