[Albion] Pervis rumour. Not sure on credibility

[Lady Whistledown]

Shocking waste of a signing of tremendous potential who was only here for five minutes before being shipped out with unseemly haste by Herr Hurzeler. And no, I don't believe for one second that he failed the NDP. He would have been vetted for that before he signed, and he was barely here for long enough to transgress it. This one could come back to bite us in the bum bigtime in a Gyokeres stylee

None of us know what's gone on there. The facts are: this is a seemingly pretty talented player who the Albion pursued for ages over two transfer windows, and who, after barely any appearances at all, has been loaned out to another club with an obligation to buy for a fee which barely covers our outlay on him.

That alone suggests to me there is more to this than meets the eye. If it was down to him simply not being thought good enough, I'm certain we'd have given him more time and opportunities, either with us or on loan: you don't just write off a player that quickly, especially not when you consider how long it took some of our other signings to settle and start to show their best form. Plus we have other players who are probably less talented than Barco who we've had on the books for a fair while and who realistically aren't thought likely to make the first team. Abdallah Sima, for example. He wasn't hoofed out somewhere after six months and told not to come back. We don't routinely write people off unless it's obvious for some reason that it's not going to work.

Something has gone on here that we will probably never know about, and which has to be more than just Barco being a bit temperamental or cocky at a young age.

Gyökeres was completely different: in his case he wasn't quite up to regular PL football at that stage of his development, and being a confident lad, he wanted to play. He had a fairly unimpressive loan at Swansea, and even his first spell at a mid table Coventry wasn't brilliant, but he did enough for them to take a punt, and it exploded from there for him. But clubs weren't queuing up to sign him when it was decided he was going to be allowed to leave, so it's not even that we missed something obvious that every other PL and top Championship side could see. Sometimes footballers develop later, just like a lot of kids who are incredible at 15/16 years old never make it as pros.

 

[dwayne]

Barco is no longer a Brighton player as of July 1st.

Discussed elsewhere but is this one as cut and dried as people think?......perhaps he will stay after all.

 

[Justice]

£38m?!!

I’d give him a piggy back all the way up to Manchester for that!

I know United are clueless but surely they have to draw a line on their stupidity somewhere?!

Jesus what level of player should we be signing an £80m left back? Pervis is a quality player like all players he has his dodgy moments.

 

[jackalbion]

Discussed elsewhere but is this one as cut and dried as people think?......perhaps he will stay after all.

Yes, I think so.

 

[shingle]

Sory, What is NDP

 

[dwayne]

Yes, I think so.

Slightly odd that the club posted about barco the other day and weir talked about his progress at the fans forum. The rumour is that there might be something in the 'obligation to buy' clause in the contract that we can override (a bit like undav).

Probably not though but fingers crossed.

 

[AlbionBro]

Something has gone on here that we will probably never know about, and which has to be more than just Barco being a bit temperamental or cocky at a young age.

It could be Fabian is besties with Kerry Mayo, and wanted to keep him on record as still being the best ginger left back the club has ever seen.

 

[Gwylan]

Sory, What is NDP

No Dickheads Policy

 

[7dialssouthpaw]

None of us know what's gone on there. The facts are: this is a seemingly pretty talented player who the Albion pursued for ages over two transfer windows, and who, after barely any appearances at all, has been loaned out to another club with an obligation to buy for a fee which barely covers our outlay on him.

That alone suggests to me there is more to this than meets the eye. If it was down to him simply not being thought good enough, I'm certain we'd have given him more time and opportunities, either with us or on loan: you don't just write off a player that quickly, especially not when you consider how long it took some of our other signings to settle and start to show their best form. Plus we have other players who are probably less talented than Barco who we've had on the books for a fair while and who realistically aren't thought likely to make the first team. Abdallah Sima, for example. He wasn't hoofed out somewhere after six months and told not to come back. We don't routinely write people off unless it's obvious for some reason that it's not going to work.

Something has gone on here that we will probably never know about, and which has to be more than just Barco being a bit temperamental or cocky at a young age.

Gyökeres was completely different: in his case he wasn't quite up to regular PL football at that stage of his development, and being a confident lad, he wanted to play. He had a fairly unimpressive loan at Swansea, and even his first spell at a mid table Coventry wasn't brilliant, but he did enough for them to take a punt, and it exploded from there for him. But clubs weren't queuing up to sign him when it was decided he was going to be allowed to leave, so it's not even that we missed something obvious that every other PL and top Championship side could see. Sometimes footballers develop later, just like a lot of kids who are incredible at 15/16 years old never make it as pros.

also, no proof Gyokeres will adapt to PL if he returns.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Jesus what level of player should we be signing an £80m left back? Pervis is a quality player like all players he has his dodgy moments.

Maybe Pervis has asked for double his current wages, which seems to me entirely fair seeing as how he's being asked to do the work of two players on the left

 

[Cowfold Seagull]

£38m?!!

I’d give him a piggy back all the way up to Manchester for that!

I know United are clueless but surely they have to draw a line on their stupidity somewhere?!

Pervis, when on song is a fine left back in my opinion. Whether or not he is worth £38m is another matter entirely.

 

[backson]

wtf.

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My God, he looks like an angry teenage girl who's just taken up MMA.

 

[Cowfold Seagull]

Shocking waste of a signing of tremendous potential who was only here for five minutes before being shipped out with unseemly haste by Herr Hurzeler. And no, I don't believe for one second that he failed the NDP. He would have been vetted for that before he signed, and he was barely here for long enough to transgress it. This one could come back to bite us in the bum bigtime in a Gyokeres stylee

Easy to say, none of us knows what goes on at the club on a day to day basis, that's one of the reasons we employ Fabian Hurzeler and his team.

As for Gyokeres, did any of us think when we let him go that he would blossom into the player he has become? . . . no l thought not. A wonderful thing hindsight.

 

[pigmanovich]

Slightly odd that the club posted about barco the other day and weir talked about his progress at the fans forum. The rumour is that there might be something in the 'obligation to buy' clause in the contract that we can override (a bit like undav).

Probably not though but fingers crossed.

Weir talked about it because he was directly asked about Barco’s future at the club, and the answer was noncommittal on the whole.

 

[portslade seagull]

If Estupinan goes it just puts us back to square one looking for a readymade replacement rather than placing players out of position

 

[Weststander]

How many other players do you want us to get rid of? Lamptey and Pervis so far today from you

Looks like a clear out of fullbacks who are so easy to bypass, by everyone!

 

[GT49er]

Re Barco. Or anyone who has failed the (laughably still continually droned on about) non dick heads test. Does it matter?

A football manager is there to manage players. They're not all little angels and actually, that's not important. That's Hurzeler's job. He's got to get him to play well on a football pitch.

That's a tad harsh (and unrealistic) - should the ManU manager have 'managed' Mason Greenwood better instead of shipping him out, or Liverpool managed Suarez better rather than shipping the nippy little biter out?
(Must emphasise most strongly that I am not making or implying any misdoings by Barco - like everyone else on here, I have no idea why he was moved on)

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

That's a tad harsh (and unrealistic) - should the ManU manager have 'managed' Mason Greenwood better instead of shipping him out, or Liverpool managed Suarez better rather than shipping the nippy little biter out?
(Must emphasise most strongly that I am not making or implying any misdoings by Barco - like everyone else on here, I have no idea why he was moved on)

Greenwood is a different matter. He committed, or at least it seemed from the footage, serious criminality. Nobody is suggesting that's the case here.

Barca took on Suarez after it was clear what he had done and he formed part of maybe the best attacking trio in history.

The point is a manager has to manage less than perfect humans. A manager has lots of levers at his disposal, non selection being the obvious one, but the club can also fine the player. I don't want us to have a load of obvious wrong uns in the team, but nor do I want to ship out players we actually need for less than their value because the manager doesn't want to deal with difficult characters. It also sends to wrong message. Act like a prick, you'll get your move.

I don't think anyone actually knows what went on. If you've got a certain hairstyle or look a certain way let's say, Brighton fans seem to jump to the conclusion that's an irredeemable player. I don't see it like that

 

[Dibdab]

I dont get people saying Pervis isnt up to it at all. He was one of the stand out left backs in RDZ's first season and comfortably better than Cuccurella at Chelsea that season. He then got injured and has been inconsistent since. Some weeks he's great others a bit off it, but he's still a bloody good LB, especially when he and Karou are clicking. He'll be a big squad gap to fill if he goes.

 

[Barnet Seagull]

Barco is a defender who can't really defend, isn't particularly strong in the tackle, has a lower work rate than we're used to and is positionally suspect - at least on the showings he's had for us.

He's a bit like a poor man's Trent Alexander Arnold. Which is great if you have the ball a lot and Virgil Van Dyk next to you.

NDP or not, I don't think he's a good premier league player in our system.