[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)

[origigull]

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Agreed, the Russians need to believe it's so. Either way it'll scare the Kremlin.
But I guess it could have been Ukrainian drone operators within Russia (for the distant attacks?), or perhaps that wasn't even necessary, maybe operated from Ukraine. And opening the prefab roof remotely to let the drones out...? blimey.What an operation, whichever way it was done .

This op could be turned into a film and when you watch it you'd say nah too far fetched to have happened.

 

[peterward]

This op could be turned into a film and when you watch it you'd say nah too far fetched to have happened.

It wouldn't look out of place as a plot in a James Bond film.

 

[Eric the meek]

This is why Ukraine released it. That search can take 30 mins. That truck is now delayed by 30 mins, the one behind? An hour. getting worse and worse, until the delays become too costly, or stores run out of items, leaving the people hungry and without, until they get restless and start to turn on the government.

That's a powerful argument. It's highly disruptive.

And it ties in with recent attacks on bridges in the occupied territories. Slow the buggers down. Starve them of supplies. The invaders are not going to make much headway if their supplies are slowed down to a trickle. And it can equally be applied to inside Russia.

 

[peterward]

That's a powerful argument. It's highly disruptive.

And it ties in with recent attacks on bridges in the occupied territories. Slow the buggers down. Starve them of supplies. The invaders are not going to make much headway if their supplies are slowed down to a trickle. And it can equally be applied to inside Russia.

Logistics win wars.

 

[Triggaaar]

But they still consider that it is the US they are negotiating with, and not the country they invaded.

I agree

They still regard the issue as an internal Russian issue when the rest of the world doesn't.

Russia knows it's not internal, they've just added that in an attempt to get the rest of the world to leave them to it. They only added this idea recently, which is telling.

 

[Eric the meek]

I agree




Russia knows it's not internal, they've just added that in an attempt to get the rest of the world to leave them to it. They only added this idea recently, which is telling.

Yes, you're right. They've only added the idea recently, or voiced it in that way. Perhaps they've undergone a re-branding exercise.

Every other justification for the war has failed, so let's call it an internal Russian issue.

 

[raymondo]

I hope so. Looking forward to the news when Putin gets sniped from a drone hiding inside his toilet.

A very small marine drone that navigated the sewage system

 

[fly high]

Planes wiped out, humiliation and now paranoia with commerce at a standstill. Win, win, win.

 

[raymondo]

Apologies if this has been posted before - no time to check.

 

[fly high]

A very small marine drone that navigated the sewage system

Brings new meaning to the expression "up your arse".

 

[raymondo]

As they check every truck in Russia... Ukraine is hiding drones in combine harvesters as Summer approaches

 

[fly high]

As they check every truck in Russia... Ukraine is hiding drones in combine harvesters as Summer approaches

And camper vans.

 

[Triggaaar]

A very small marine drone that navigated the sewage system

Leak this technological advancement and he'll start using a potty

 

[Eric the meek]

 

[raymondo]

she'd aged

 

[raymondo]

Newsletter from Gabrielius Landsbergis:


"The obliteration of Russian strategic bombers left us stunned — and rightly so. The sheer audacity of the operation, its meticulous preparation, and the demonstration of Ukrainian ingenuity are forcing many to rethink what Ukraine is truly capable of achieving.

Here are five key lessons:​

1. The battlefield is now sustained mostly by Ukraine’s own innovations.​

I’ve said this before: Ukraine’s ability to hold the line increasingly depends on domestically produced capabilities. Artillery and armor still have their place, but drone warfare has completely redefined their use. Neither side can move heavy equipment close to the front without immediately becoming a target. Hundreds, even thousands, of drone strikes a day are what keep the contact line more or less intact. While the world talks, hosts meetings, and forms yet another “coalition of the willing” that mostly leads nowhere — Ukrainians innovate and fight. Without their ingenuity buying us time, we wouldn’t be able to host all those meetings.

2. Ukraine’s innovation scene resembles the early days of Silicon Valley.​

All over the country, thousands of inventors are building war machines — big and small. Those who manage to create scalable tools for killing Russian invaders are merging into ever-more capable groups. A Ukrainian friend told me: if someone asked whether Ukraine was building a nuclear weapon, he wouldn’t be able to give a clear answer — because, somewhere in a garage, an engineer might just be watching YouTube and assembling something close to that. Ukraine is innovating its way to survival. With proper support, it could innovate its way to deterrence.

3. This operation shows Ukraine is increasingly capable of acting independently of the West.​

Its scale and ingenuity — carried out without visible Western intelligence or logistical support — suggests Ukraine is now less reliant on outside help. That also means Western leverage, both real and imagined, is eroding. Ukraine is preparing to fight on its own terms. If you ever wondered what strategic autonomy looks like — this might be it. Ukraine’s way of war is shaped by necessity: no one’s closing the skies, no one’s delivering ammunition at scale. So, Ukraine strikes where it can make Russia feel vulnerable. Just as it made the Black Sea unsafe (recall that one of Russia’s first requests to Trump was to broker a maritime ceasefire), now it’s aiming to make the skies above Russian bases feel just as insecure. That could start shifting Putin’s calculations.

4. This is not just a tactical win — it’s a strategic threat.​

When Stalin bled troops in Finland, he had to reckon with the limits of brute force: sacrificing soldiers in one small theater weakens your position elsewhere. Russia today may be vast, but every resource spent in Ukraine weakens another front. Losing troops is one thing. Losing strategic aviation — especially for a nuclear power — is another. If this wasn’t a one-off, but part of a deliberate, multi-layered campaign to degrade Russia’s strategic capacity, then serious alarm bells are now ringing in Moscow. At least among those generals who haven’t yet been fired, given tea or shown a balcony.

5. Let’s stop pretending this is still about NATO expansion.​

That debate is over. The reality has changed. The real question now is: what kind of security architecture will Ukraine create — and who will be allowed to join? If Ukraine succeeds stopping Russia, it will have done the work of the entire alliance. Personally, I’d rather deter Russia alongside the Ukrainians — ideally within NATO, but if some member states insist on living in denial, then in any other configuration that works. Imagine Moscow planning an attack on a Baltic state, knowing it wouldn’t just face Lithuanians, Latvians, Estonians, Poles, or Germans — but also Ukrainians, with all their drone power. That’s a war even Putin might think twice about starting.

 

[Eric the meek]

she'd aged

Knowing you're being groomed to be a scapegoat has this effect on some people.

 

[fly high]

Ukraine live updates: Ukraine and Russia working on new prisoner exchange, Zelensky says after Istanbul peace talks

Zelensky addressed a Nato summit in Lithuania after negotiators from Moscow and Kyiv held talks in Istanbul.

www.bbc.co.uk

Not sure how long this will take. Sticking point is Trump has to sign it off. Surely he must know he has no choice.

Edit. Thought it would just copy relevant section but got the lot. See also post below.

 

[fly high]

US senate to move forward with sanctions bill, can't come soon enough.

 

[origigull]

It wouldn't look out of place as a plot in a James Bond film.

Or a Mission Impossible film.